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10 måneder siden

Jeg vil gerne have nogle meninger fra folk her på forummet. Hvis jeg må dele min historie.

Jeg var en kasinogambler i over et år, og jeg mødte en, der virkede ret lovende. Det var der, min ulykke begyndte.

Jeg mødte dette casino, og det var her, jeg indså, at jeg havde et alvorligt spilleproblem.

Jeg gik i chat flere gange for at bede om at få lukket min konto. Jeg nævnte ikke spilleproblemet tydeligt, for dem, der har et spilleproblem, skammer sig over at sige det.

Jeg bad flere gange efter at have tabt en masse penge om at lukke kontoen, og i chatten var de altid opmærksomme og fortalte mig om nogle ansvarlige spilværktøjer, såsom indbetalingsgrænser, indsatsgrænser, pause, men de fortalte mig aldrig om mulighed for selvudelukkelse.

Chatpigen skal have analyseret min spillerkonto og foreslået, at jeg "blokerer casinospil på ubestemt tid", mens jeg bevarer området for sportsvæddemål.

Det argument var nok til at holde mig aktiv i kasinoet.

Spørgsmål 1 - Hvad menes der med en ubestemt periode? I min ordbog betyder det uden en slutdato


Jeg indså senere, at denne metode var det samme som ingenting, fordi alt, hvad jeg skulle gøre, var at logge ind på chatten og anmode om, at kasinoområdet blev ophævet, og jeg ville have kasinoet igen. Jeg blokerede og ophævede endda kasinoområdet dusinvis af gange om dagen.

2. spørgsmål - Er chatpersonalet og andet casinopersonale ikke forpligtet til at blive uddannet til at spotte spillere, der viser mønstre af ludomani? Efter min mening, hvis de er uddannet til at gøre dette, kan de nemt se, at en spiller, der beder om at blokere casinoet flere gange om dagen, enten er paranoid eller har et spilleproblem og bør handle for at beskytte ham.


Efter adskillige tab og adskillige anmodninger om at lukke min konto, foreslog de en VIP-manager.

Han tilbyder mig 500 euro og garanterer mig al støtte i verden. Han tilbød mig cashback for tab osv. Tja, for en, der er afhængig, er det at give syn til en blind mand.


Denne superprofessionelle account manager og jeg fik et venskab, og det blev stadig sværere for mig at indrømme, at jeg var fuldstændig afhængig. Da jeg ikke havde indbetalt i et stykke tid, dukkede han op med et par gratis spins eller et par euro... og det ville starte forfra.


Jeg fik først modet til at melde mig ud, da de skiftede min account manager, og selv med den, måtte jeg melde mig ud over en lang weekend, fordi jeg ikke ville have, at han skulle overbevise mig om at blive igen, for det ville han.


3. spørgsmål - er hele denne proces normal? Er alt dette lovligt? Er alt dette tilladt praksis?

DESVÆRRE ER DISSE RAPPORTER INGEN BETYDNING, FOR DET ER VIRKELIG BETYDNING ER SÆTTEN " JEG VIL UDEKLUDERE MIG SELV, FORDI JEG ER afhængig" .

DESVÆRRE ER DISSE CASINO MEDARBEJDERE, SOM HÆVDER AT VÆRE UDDANET TIL AT VÆRE VÅGNE OG TIL BESKYTTELSE AF SPILLEREN, IKKE MERE END ORD, FOR I ENDELIG HANDLER DET ALT OM MÅLENE FOR DE STORE KASINOER.


Hvis du kan hjælpe mig med et svar på disse 3 spørgsmål, vil jeg sætte pris på det.

Automatisk oversættelse:
10 måneder siden

Hello again,

I can't provide direct experience, because I have never been in that position, but I would respond to the topic. Presenting the business standards, because nothing in life is just one sided.

Just recently I posted a question on our social media profiles: Can you tell the difference between an account closure and permanent self-exclusion? In my opinion, your experience is very close to this subject.

I perfectly understand anyone may feel ashamed to come clean about losing control over gambling. Sadly

people close their accounts for many reasons, and online casinos' responses to such requests can vary significantly. Therefore, you should have a clear understanding of why you want to close your account and then proceed accordingly by telling the support.

Relying on your assumption that every single chat worker is able to analyze your gaming history is not just quite unreal but also very dangerous.

Account closure can be easily revoked, so the Self-Exclusion without mentioning the gambling issue. Also, a casino worker will most likely try to attract you to stay, suggest gambling tools, or use other methods to prevent harm but still convince you to stay. That's the crucial point. They just do not have to take the request so seriously until you clearly state the addiction. Such a statement should change everything.

So sadly, yes—if a player evades saying he's experiencing gambling harm, what the casino did does not sound that extraordinary to me.

I'm not saying it was all good; I have not, for example, seen the way this manager treated you. In my opinion, it sounds kind of weird, but I can't judge anyone without knowing the full context.

Lawyers would probably say this was legal, but we are not lawyers here.

In order to bring more insight to the whole situation, we would need to see the timeline and concrete chats, I guess. Still, if you feel that, for example, the casino forced you to act under duress with its approach, you may gather the evidence and present this through the complaint.


In any case, this is very true from the safety perspective:

"UNFORTUNATELY, THESE REPORTS DON'T MATTER, BECAUSE WHAT REALLY MATTERS IS THE PHRASE " I WANT TO EXCLUDE MYSELF BECAUSE I'M ADDICTED".


I spotted a few players submitting complaints because the casinos closed their accounts to prevent gambling harm. Those players claim there have never been any signs, and they have never asked for that.

This, in my opinion, demonstrates how important the open and clear communication is.


Radka
10 måneder siden

Mange tak for din indsigt.

Men det er let at se, hvordan det pågældende casino overhovedet ignorerede sætningen, jeg vil udelukke mig selv på grund af spilleafhængighed.

I august sidste år benyttede jeg en lang weekend, hvor min VIP-manager var væk, til at anmode om selvudelukkelse, og selv da lukkede de ikke kontoen, de sagde, at det ikke var muligt, fordi jeg var VIP-kunde og jeg måtte vente på, at min vip-manager lukkede den.

Da han ankom, kom han med en bonus og overbeviste mig om at blive.

Senere bad jeg om øjeblikkelig opt-out og hævdede, at det var min ret.

Jeg bad om en refusion, det blev afvist, jeg var nødt til at involvere kahnawake Gaming-kommission, så antog de fejlen og gav mig kun det indbetalte beløb tilbage siden den selvudelukkelsesanmodning.


Jeg fortæller dig dette bare så du har et eksempel på, hvordan selv med anmodningen om selvudelukkelse ignorerede de mig.


Så fandt jeg ud af, at nogle af de betalinger, der blev foretaget til dette kasino, blev foretaget ved hjælp af modtagere uden noget med kasinoet at gøre, såsom:

Topcom

Ad wadata lda

Mine datoer

Keygo

Triramp

osv...

I hvert fald føles det som at komme ind i denne verden af ​​kasinoer som at komme ind på darkweb

Automatisk oversættelse:
cgouveia
10 måneder siden

Hi,

I see. The topic of closing a casino account essentially changes as the specifics do.

What, in my opinion, always remains, though, is whether and how the player expresses the addiction. I was trying to point out that a standalone self-exclusion request without any mention of the addiction will very likely end up with a retention process. Like the situation with the VIP manager, for example.

Now it seems that you stated the addiction or immediate gambling harm, which is always a good call when losing the control. As I suggested, though, these situations are very delicate; there are no international scripts for possible scenarios, so the casino has to rely on its own standards, and players tend to rely on their own expectations.

So, the self-exclusion request is, in many situations, considered a usual request for the account closure unless the player ask for the permanent self exclusion due to the gambling addiction. The addiction is the trigger here, not the self-exclusion option.

To the payment processors, it is pretty much a very common way to handle deposits. I already saw some activity in the thread about misused merchant codes, which is quite the subject, isn't it?


Radka
10 måneder siden

Er dette en juridisk procedure? Er det ikke i strid med AML-reglerne?

Automatisk oversættelse:
cgouveia
10 måneder siden

Not sure what specifically is supposed to be in question.

Well, I told you we are not lawyers, so you should ask specialists on legal matters if you're concerned about legality and the AML.

Legal matters are out of my range of knowledge and also outside Casino Guru's field of expertise.

cgouveia
10 måneder siden

Do you have the chat logs that back up your claim?


if you request self exclusion and state gambling issues. Then any casino (even the scam ones) will instantly block your account.


I speak from experience, so I’m happy for you to prove me wrong

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Charlie_Manchester
10 måneder siden

Tak for dit svar,

Jeg har en åben klage til et kasino, som på trods af at det var reguleret tog 13 dage at lukke min konto.


Men i rapporten, jeg lavede ovenfor, efter at jeg bad om selvudelukkelse, bad de mig om at vente på VIP-manageren, og han vendte mig om.

Jeg bad dog altid om at lukke kontoen, men de gav mig altid noget, enten en bonus eller en vip manager eller ugentlig cashback mv.

Jeg bad endda om at blive blokeret fra kasinoområdet snesevis af gange om dagen og om at blive blokeret. Desværre foretog kasinoet sig ikke noget og foreslog, at jeg udelukkede mig selv. Jeg gav en masse luft til min VIP-manager. Jeg lod mig føre ind i et felt af venskab... og det var enden på det

Automatisk oversættelse:
cgouveia
10 måneder siden

That’s a fair point but if you say that you specifically mentioned gambling issues then the casino wouldn’t take 13 days to close the account.

On another note. The casino VIP manager isn’t your friend and never will be. They are there to exploit you as much as they can and extract as much money out of you that is possible.

Im sorry to appear cynical, but after spending many years in the depths of despair that is gambling addiction, I simply can’t accept that any casino would act in this way.

I have played thousands of casinos and every single time I self excluded and mentioned addiction, my account was locked out immediately

Charlie_Manchester
10 måneder siden

https://casinoguru-int.com/pt/palmslots-casino-o-encerramento-da-conta-do-jogador

Og det er stadig ikke løst.

Dette er et eksempel, i et andet casino anmodede jeg om selvudelukkelse, de lukkede ikke kontoen, og kun da jeg involverede kahnawake Gaming kommission, fortsatte de med at refundere indbetalingerne efter selvudelukkelse

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cgouveia
10 måneder siden

You seem to be avoiding the points that I raise in my replies.

What help is it that you need from the forum?

Support to help you through the gambling issues or the issues you seem to have with the gaming commission?

Are you based in Canada?

10 måneder siden

Jeg bor i Portugal.

Mit problem er med spillene

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cgouveia
10 måneder siden

So how come you keep mentioning the kahnawake Gaming commission?

They are based in Canada.

Did you gamble on casinos from Canada.


What games do you have issues with

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Charlie_Manchester
10 måneder siden

Nej. Men det er regulatoren af ​​nogle kasinoer, der opererer i Europa.

F.eks

22 bet

Leon

Ni kasino


osv.

Automatisk oversættelse:
cgouveia
10 måneder siden

Yeh that’s fine. But still not sure what it is you're looking for on here.

you don’t really seem to engage in the messages.

if you have lost your money at the casino then you need to accept that and let it go. Nobody is to blame for you losing it other than yourself.

trying to get gaming commission’s involved and banks and that is a waste of time. Blaming the game is a waste of time.

the first part of accepting that you have a problem with gambling is to stop finding someone or something to blame.

take ownership, take space away from it and focus on moving forwards

10 måneder siden

My words exactly leave the pass in the pass get on with your new life. It is hard to closes a account at the casino, but when you say you have a gambling problem it will take time to closes your account because this goes out to all the casinos your name will be black listed, please don't look at this as being embarrassed that you have a gambling problem this is a good step in the right directions, its like a alcoholic that said they want to quit drinking they ask for help. Playing at the casino is all about lucky and stupidity your lucky if you win and your stupid keep going on if you lose 🫢😮‍💨.

10 måneder siden

First, make sure you have discretionary income to use - that is the money left over after taxes, rent, food, utilities, clothing, savings, etc.

When you enter the casino, the 1% rule is a good place to start [ex. if you want to play a $10 table, have at least $1,000 dollars available].

If you really want to stretch your dollars, enter tournaments as a small buy-in may give you many more times in chips, will give you significantly more play time, and the competition will show you where you are weak so you improve.

Lastly, remember the casino will try everything it can to get you to spend more than you plan ... so do not take any extra money, credit cards, or other source of further funding.

10 måneder siden

Love you game

10 måneder siden

My words exactly leave the pass in the pass get on with your new life. It is hard to closes a account at the casino,but when you say you have a gambling problem it will take time to closes your account because this goes out to all the casinos your name will be black listed,please don't look at this as being embarrassed that you have a gambling problem this is a good step in the right directions, its like a alcoholic that said they want to quit drinking they ask for help Playing at the casino


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