Hej,
Jeg har haft et problem med Kudos Casino, hvor jeg på nuværende tidspunkt vil spørge om problemet i stedet for blot at klage.
Det, der skete, var, at jeg indbetalte $200 og modtog gratis spins, det var mere end 100 gratis spins. Jeg vandt omkring $40 fra dem og fortsatte med at spille med min saldo. De faktiske regler for gratis spins sagde: "Der er ingen omsætningskrav, spilbegrænsninger eller maksimale udbetalinger, men hold dine indsatser på $10 eller mindre". Baseret på dette troede jeg, at den eneste regel var at satse $10 eller mindre. Der var heller ingen omsætningskrav, så jeg troede, at alle gevinster bare ville blive krediteret som kontanter uden andre regler.
Efter at have spillet vandt jeg i alt $611,72 USD. Under mit spil spillede jeg også livespil. Dette krævede, at jeg overførte saldoen til live casinoet og derefter tilbage, og jeg overførte hele saldoen, hvilket teknisk set inkluderede gevinsterne fra gratis spins.
Jeg anmodede derefter om at få udbetalt det fulde beløb, og jeg modtog en e-mail om, at Live Casino-spil kun var tilladt, hvis man spillede med "rene indbetalinger". Her mener jeg, at "ren" betyder indbetalinger uden gratis spins eller bonusser, og mit beløb blev reduceret til et par cent under $200, hvilket var det beløb, jeg indbetalte. Så jeg læste alle vilkårene, og der er faktisk en sætning i deres vilkår, der siger noget i retning af "Live Casino-spil er kun tilladt med rene indbetalinger". Så teknisk set brød jeg denne regel. Men denne regel var ikke ved siden af gratis spins-tilbuddet, den var blandt de vigtigste vilkår og regler for hele hjemmesiden.
Fordi der er to regler, der synes at modsige hinanden (én siger ingen spilbegrænsninger, en anden siger intet Live Casino), spurgte jeg på et spillerforum, hvad andre synes, inklusive her på casino guru. Og jeg fik blandede svar. Én sagde, at jeg altid skulle læse alle vilkårene, før jeg accepterede et tilbud, og den antydede, at det reelt var min skyld, og en anden sagde, at hvis der står "ingen spilbegrænsninger", kan casinoet ikke senere sige, at jeg har spillet et "begrænset spil".
Her på Casino Guru foreslog en af jeres venlige moderatorer, Jaro, at I skulle indsende en klage, så jeg skriver her for at spørge jer som "de officielle eksperter", hvad I synes om dette problem. Jeg kan sende jer et link eller indsætte alle reglerne, hvis det hjælper.
Jeg har det fint, hvis du siger, at det var min fejl, og at jeg burde læse alle vilkårene hver gang. Bemærk blot, at disse vilkår nogle gange er mange sider lange, og hvis jeg læste og forstod dem alle, før jeg spillede, ville jeg ikke have nok tid til rent faktisk at spille. I så fald ville det være meget enklere, hvis alle sådanne tilbud havde de vigtigste vilkår ved siden af, noget i retning af "Ingen indsats over $10, intet Live Casino, ellers kan du spille ethvert spil". Dette kan læses meget hurtigt, og jeg mener, det dækker alle de vigtige fejl, der kan begås. Eller jeg har set endnu bedre. Jeg tog engang en bonus på et andet casino og ville derefter spille et spil, og hver gang jeg åbnede det, modtog jeg en besked, der sagde "Dette spil er ikke tilladt med en bonus", og spillet lukkede. Selvom jeg var frustreret dengang, da det tog mindst 10 forskellige spilleautomater, før jeg fandt et, der var tilladt, var det den bedste måde at sikre, at ingen laver en fejl, hvis en bonus kun er til nogle spil. Så hvis du mener, at jeg ikke er berettiget til min gevinst baseret på alle reglerne, kan det være nyttigt for andre spillere at foreslå casinoet at præcisere sine vilkår eller lave noget, der blokerer overførsler til Live Casino, når det ikke er tilladt.
Men hvis du mener, at reglerne, som de står ved siden af den bonus, jeg tog, antyder, at jeg ikke har gjort noget forkert, da de siger "Ingen spilbegrænsninger", så ville jeg være taknemmelig, hvis du kunne kontakte casinoet og fortælle dem din mening om situationen.
Mange tak for din hjælp.
Miroslav
Hi,
I've had an issue with Kudos Casino where I want to ask about the problem rather than purely complain at this stage.
What happened is that I made a deposit of $200 and received free spins, it was more than 100 free spins. I won about $40 from those and continued playing with my balance. The actual rules of the free spins said "There are no wagering requirements, game restrictions, or maximum cashouts, but do keep your bets at $10 or less". Based on this I thought the only rule was to bet $10 or less. There were also no wagering requirements so I thought all the winnings would be just credited as cash with no other rules.
After playing I won $611.72 USD in total. During my play I also played Live Games. This required transferring the balance to the Live Casino and then back and I did transfer the whole balance, which technically included the free spin winnings.
I then requested a cash out of the full amount and I received an email that Live Casino games were allowed only if playing with "clean deposits". Here I think "clean" means deposits without any free spins or bonuses and my amount was reduced to a few cents short of $200, which is what I deposited. So I read all the terms and there really is a sentence in their terms that states something like "Live Casino Games are only allowed with clean deposits". So technically I did break this rule. But this rule was not next to the free spins offer, it was among the main terms and rules of the whole website.
Because there are 2 rules that seem to contradict each other (one says no game restrictions, another says no Live Casino) I asked on a player forum what others think, including here at casino guru. And I received mixed replies, one said that I should always read all the terms before taking an offer and it suggested it was effectively my fault, and another said that if it says "no game restrictions" that the casino can't later say I played a "restricted game".
Here at casino Guru one of your friendly moderators, Jaro, suggested posting a complaint so I am posting here to ask you as "the official experts" what you think about this issue. I can send you link or paste all the rules if it helps.
I'm fine if you say it was my fault and that I should read all the terms every time. Just note that these terms are sometimes many pages long and if I read and understood all of them before playing I would not have enough time to actually play. In that case, it would be much simpler if every such offer had the most important terms next to it, something like "No bet over $10, no Live Casino, otherwise you can play any game". This can be read very fast and I believe it covers all the important mistakes that can be made. Or I have seen even better. I once took a bonus at another casino and then wanted to play a game and each time I opened it I received a message saying "This game is not allowed with a bonus" and the game closed. While I was frustrated then as it took at least 10 different slot games before I found one which was allowed, it was the best way to ensure that nobody makes a mistake if a bonus is only for some games. So if you think I am not entitled to my win based on all the rules it may be helpful for other players to suggest the casino to clarify its terms or create something that would block transfers to Live Casino whenever it is not allowed.
But if you think the rules as they are written next to the bonus I took suggest I didn't do anything wrong since they say "No game restrictions" then I'd be grateful if you could contact the casino and tell them your view of the situation.
Thank you very much for your help.
Miroslav