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The player from Canada faced account blockage and felt that his money might have been at risk after a questionable $1000 deposit prompted an investigation. Despite providing the requested documentation, he received generic responses and lacked information regarding the situation, which created a sense of frustration and urgency.
The Complaints Team reviewed the case and determined that the casino's decision to refund the player's deposits and permanently close the account was in accordance with their Terms and Conditions. The player was informed that his communication style and mention of chargebacks contributed to the casino's actions. The case was ultimately closed without the possibility of reopening, as the player was deemed to have compromised the investigation through his actions and manner of communication.
Spilleren fra Canada stod over for en kontoblokering og følte, at hans penge muligvis var i fare, efter at en tvivlsom indbetaling på $1000 havde foranlediget en undersøgelse. Trods at have fremlagt den ønskede dokumentation modtog han generelle svar og manglede information om situationen, hvilket skabte en følelse af frustration og hastende karakter. Klageteamet gennemgik sagen og fastslog, at casinoets beslutning om at refundere spillerens indbetalinger og permanent lukke kontoen var i overensstemmelse med deres vilkår og betingelser. Spilleren blev informeret om, at hans kommunikationsstil og omtale af tilbageførsler bidrog til casinoets handlinger. Sagen blev i sidste ende lukket uden mulighed for genoptagelse, da spilleren blev anset for at have kompromitteret undersøgelsen gennem sine handlinger og kommunikationsmåde.
Min konto er blevet spærret, og de kan have stjålet mine penge.
Sådan føles det i hvert fald. Der er en uoverensstemmelse med mine indskud. Jeg foretog 3 indbetalinger på $1000, som blev accepteret på Weiss-platformen, og blev krediteret på min Weiss-konto, hvor jeg har e-mails fra Weiss om, at de blev accepteret, jeg kan give disse, hvis det er nødvendigt.
Jeg tog disse indskud og vandt, hvilket bragte min saldo op på $9709.
Næste morgen modtager jeg en e-mail om, at der var et problem med en af mine $1000 indbetalinger, og de vil undersøge sagen. De har blokeret min konto, mens de gør dette. De har bedt om pdf-transaktionsaktivitet fra mit kreditkort, som jeg har leveret. De har anmodet om kvitteringer fra Visa?? Hvilket jeg forklarede dem, at Visa ikke giver kvitteringer, stedet hvor du køber ting fra give kvitteringer, hvilket ville være dem eller deres betalingsudbyder i dette tilfælde.
Når alt dette er sagt, har jeg anmodet om tidslinjer og specifikke oplysninger om, hvad der bliver undersøgt og gjort, men jeg modtager fortsat de samme klippe- og indsætsvar. De har behandlet mig, som om jeg har gjort noget forkert, når det skulle være dem, der undskylder over for mig, hvis der var problemer på grund af deres udbyder.
Det, at de ikke giver mig nogen information, mens de holder mine penge som gidsler, føles mere og mere som tyveri.
Jeg har virkelig brug for nogen til at tale for mig og komme til bunds i, hvorfor det tager så lang tid, og hvorfor kan de ikke give mig oplysninger eller give mig adgang til min konto og penge. Det er mange penge, og det er ekstremt stressende at have nogen til at tage kontrol over det og være helt stille om årsagerne til det.
Jeg forstår, at det tager tid at undersøge sager, men de har en økonomiafdeling, og med teknologi i disse dage bør dette ikke tage mere end 24 timer.
Venligst hjælp,
Christopher C****
My account has been blocked and they may have stolen my money.
At least that is how it feels. There is a discrepancy with my deposits. I made 3 deposits of $1000 that were accepted on the Weiss platform, and were credited into my Weiss account, in which I have emails from Weiss stating that they were accepted, I can provide these if needed.
I the took those deposits and won, bringing my balance up to $9709.
The next morning I receive an email that there was an issue with one of my $1000 deposits and they are going to investigate. They have blocked my account while they do this. They have asked for pdf transaction activity from my credit card, which I have supplied. They have requested receipts from Visa?? Which I explained to them that Visa doesn't give receipts, the place where you buy things from give receipts, which would be them or their payment provider in this case.
With all of this being said I have requested timelines, and specific information about what is being investigated and done but I continue to receive the same cut and paste responses. They have treated me like I have done something wrong when they should be the ones apologizing to me if there were any issues due to their provider.
The fact that they are giving me no information while holding my money hostage feels more and more like theft.
I really need someone to advocate for me and get to the bottom of why this is taking so long and why can't they give me information or allow me to access my account and money. This is a lot of money and it's extremely stressful to have someone take control of it and be completely silent on the reasons why.
I understand that it takes time to investigate matters but they have a finance department and with technology these days this shouldn't take more than 24 hours.
Mange tak for din klage, og jeg er virkelig ked af at høre om dit problem med Weiss Casino. Tillad mig at stille dig et par spørgsmål mere, før vi går videre.
Kan du oplyse, om din konto allerede er verificeret, og hvis ja, siden hvornår præcist?
Siden hvornår er dette problem aktuelt?
Hvornår har du sidst talt med casinoet, og hvad handlede det om?
Ser frem til dit svar.
Med venlig hilsen
Nick
Hello Confusingseeker,
Thank you very much for submitting your complaint and I'm really sorry to hear about your issue with Weiss Casino. Please allow me to ask you a few more question before we would move forward.
Could you please advise if your account is already verified and if yes, since when exactly?
Since when exactly is this issue ongoing?
When was the last time you spoke to the casino and what was it about?
Tak fordi du sagde ja til at hjælpe mig med dette, det har givet mig stor stress at have disse penge blokeret og ikke få nogen svar, især når jeg ikke har gjort noget forkert, men jeg bliver behandlet som en kriminel.
Min konto blev bekræftet den 17. marts kl. 19:51.
Indbetalingerne skete den 18. marts klokken 19.41, 19.48 og 19.49.
Min konto blev blokeret næste morgen, den 19. marts kl. 6:45
Den sidste kommunikation, som jeg modtog fra dem, var en kopi og indsæt e-mail-svar på min e-mail, hvor jeg bad om tidslinjer og detaljer vedrørende undersøgelsen, uden at der blev givet nogen egentlige svar.
Jeg har skærmbilleder af alle e-mails, bekræftelser.
Jeg har vedhæftet skærmbillederne af de 3 e-mails, som de sendte lige efter, at de har accepteret mine indbetalinger. De oplyser, at en af disse faktisk ikke gik igennem, og de accepterede det, når de ikke burde have gjort det.
Jeg har også vedhæftet et skærmbillede af deres vilkår og betingelser, der viser, at de først vil kreditere min spillekonto efter indbetalingen er blevet bekræftet, så der må have været et problem med deres betalingsudbyder og dem.
Helt ærligt, jeg har beviset for, at de accepterede depositum. Det ser ikke ud til, at det kom ud af mit Visa, så det eneste, der skal gøres, er at fjerne $1000 indbetalingen fra min spillesaldo, hvilket efterlader mig med en saldo på $8709. Og så burde de give mig en undskyldning. Jeg vil ikke prøve at stjæle fra dem.
Dette var en fejl fra deres side eller deres betalingsudbyder, og jeg er offeret, men jeg bliver behandlet, som om jeg stjal fra dem.
Tak,
Christopher C*****
Hello,
Thank you for agreeing to help me with this, it has given me great stress having this money blocked and not getting any answers especially when I have done nothing wrong but I am being treated like a criminal.
My account was verified on March 17th at 7:51pm.
The deposits happened on March 18 at 7:41pm, 7:48pm and 7:49pm.
My account was blocked the next morning, March 19 at 6:45am
The last communication that I recieved from them was a copy and paste email response to my email asking for timelines and specifics regarding the investigation, with no real answers given.
I have screenshots of all emails, verifications.
I have attached the screenshots of the 3 emails that they sent right after they accepted my deposits. They are stating that one of these didn't actually go through and they accepted it when they shouldn't have.
I have also attached a screenshot of their terms and conditions showing that they only will credit my playing account after the deposit has been verified, so there must have been an issue with their payment provider and them.
Honestly, I have the proof that they accepted the deposit. It doesn't look like it came out of my Visa, so the only thing that needs to be done is to remove the $1000 deposit from my playing balance, leaving me with a balance of $8709. And then they should issue me an apology. I am not looking to try and steal from them.
This was a mistake on their end or their payment provider and I am the victim but I am being treated as if I stole from them.
Jeg vil give dem lidt mere tid, måske en dag, til at finde ud af dette og åbne min konto og sende mig mine penge, eller jeg vil bestride alle mine transaktioner, der gik til dem via mit kreditkort.
Jeg ved, at dette vil have enorme konsekvenser for deres betalingsudbyder, da de sandsynligvis vil ende med at blokere dem som svigagtige i fremtiden. Men jeg føler, at dette er næste skridt.
De ser ikke ud til at være villige til at åbne min konto. De har for travlt med at takke de falske anmeldelser, de sender om deres websted.
Dette burde have været en simpel situation, så det er tydeligt, at de har stjålet mine penge, og hvis det er tilfældet, skal jeg informere mit kreditkort for at forsøge at få mine penge og for at sikre, at de ikke tillader flere transaktioner fra denne betalingsudbyder i fremtiden. Forhåbentlig vil Weiss ikke være i stand til at gøre dette mod en anden ved at gøre dette.
Hvis der var en tvist på $1000, så skulle de have frosset $1000 og stadig givet mig adgang til resten, mens de afslutter deres undersøgelse.
Hi Nick.
I am going to give them a little bit more time, maybe a day, to figure this out and open my account and send me my money or I am going to dispute all of my transactions that went to them through my credit card.
I know this will have huge repercussions to their payment provider as they will probably end up blocking them as fraudulent in the future. But I feel like this is the next step.
They don't seem to be willing to open my account. They are too busy thanking the fake reviews that they post about their site.
This should have been a simple situation so it's evident that they have stolen my money, and if that's the case I need to inform my credit card to attempt to get my money and to make sure they don't allow any more transactions from that payment provider in the future. Hopefully by doing this Weiss will not be able to do this to someone else.
If there was a dispute of $1000 then they should have frozen the $1000 and still allowed me access to the rest while they complete their investigation.
Jeg får et latterligt svar fra Weiss. De stjæler i det væsentlige fra mig og tager mine gevinster, fordi de godkendte en indbetaling på deres side, der ikke gik igennem.
Så kommer jeg til Casino Guru for at få hjælp, og jeg kan ikke få adgang til siden med min ip-adresse? Er dette ægte? Får du betalt af Weiss? Dette er super mistænkeligt. Alle omkring mig kan få adgang til dit websted, men mit er blokeret med mit ID i adresselinjen. Dette er uoverskueligt.
Hvis du stadig er interesseret i at hjælpe en spiller, der bliver fuldstændig snydt af et kasino, har jeg stadig brug for det.
Jeg har alle skærmbilleder af alle de indbetalinger, som de accepterede, og nu siger de, at de kun vil kreditere mig mine indskud tilbage og blokere min konto permanent. JEG HAR INTET GØRT FORKERT! Jeg har ikke prøvet at stjæle fra dem, det hele var en fejl fra DERES side. Jeg sagde endda til dem at tage de $1000 tilbage, som ikke skulle have været accepteret, men nu konfiskerer de mine gevinster!
Jeg forklarede dem endda, at jeg forsøgte at lave 3 indbetalinger på $1000 hver, og kun 2 gik virkelig igennem, så under hele mit væddemål gik jeg aldrig under de $2000, så det ville ikke have gjort noget, hvis jeg havde de ekstra $1000. Hvis jeg vandt kun ved at bruge de $1000, ville jeg forstå det, men jeg vandt de penge med de 2 andre indbetalinger, der gik igennem.
Vi ved også alle, at hvis jeg havde tabt alle mine penge, ville de ikke have annulleret alle mine væddemål og givet mig mine penge tilbage, så hvorfor kan de annullere væddemålene nu, hvor jeg vandt?
Jeg har vedhæftet skærmbillederne af deres e-mail og mit svar. Jeg skulle have sendt $8709 usdt. Hvilket er min fulde saldo minus den $1000 indbetaling, der ikke gik igennem.
Helt ærligt, dette er ret tydeligt, især da jeg har alle beviserne, og jeg håber, at du kan se, hvordan de sviner mig. Jeg har dog mine tvivl, da du har så høj en vurdering af et websted som dette, og så snart jeg får dette latterlige svar fra dem, kan jeg ikke få adgang til dig. Hmmmm. Vi får se.
Hi Nick.
I get a ridiculous answer from Weiss. They are essentially stealing from me and taking my winnings because they approved a deposit on their end that didn't go through.
Then I come to Casino Guru for help and I can't access the site with my ip address? Is this real? Are you getting paid by Weiss? This is super suspicious. Everyone around me can access your site but mine is blocked with my ID in the address bar. This is beyond suspicious.
If you are still interested in helping a player being completely ripped off by a casino I still need it.
I have all screenshots of all the deposits that they accepted and now they are saying that they will only be crediting me back my deposits and blocking my account permanently. I HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG! I haven't tried to steal from them, this whole thing was a mistake on THEIR part. I even told them to take the $1000 back that shouldn't have been accepted but now they are confiscating my winnings!
I even explained to them that I attempted to make 3 deposits of $1000 each and only 2 really went through, so throughout my betting I never went under that $2000,so it wouldn't have mattered if I had that extra $1000. If I won using that $1000 only then I would understand, but I won that money with the other 2 deposits that went through.
Also we all know that if I had lost all of my money they wouldn't have voided all of my bets and gave me my money back so why can they void the bets now that I won?
I have a attached the screenshots of their email and my response. I should be sent $8709 usdt. Which is my full balance minus the $1000 deposit that didn't go through.
Honestly, this is pretty clear cut especially since I have all the proof and I hope that you see how they are screwing me. I have my doubts though since you have such a high rating for a site like this and as soon as I get this ridiculous reply from them I can't access you.. Hmmmm. We'll see.
Hvis du virkelig er en uafhængig advokat, så ved jeg, at du vil gøre det rigtige. De har ikke ret til at tage mine gevinster. Jeg satsede mine egne penge for at vinde det.
Christopher C***
If you are really an independent litigator then I know that you will do the right thing. They have no right to take my winnings. I wagered my own money to win that.
Tak, fordi du kontaktede os vedrørende din kontostatus. Vi sætter pris på din tålmodighed, mens vi har gennemgået din sag.
Efter en grundig undersøgelse har vi identificeret et problem med behandlingen af en af dine indbetalinger, som krævede yderligere bekræftelse. Vi forstår, at sådanne sager kan være bekymrende, og vi er forpligtet til at samarbejde med vores spillere for at nå frem til retfærdige løsninger.
Selvom vi forstår, at dette kan være frustrerende, tager det tid og samarbejde fra alle involverede parter at løse sådanne sager. I lyset af det modtagne svar fra spilleren, som omfattede anklager og udtalelser, der satte anmeldelsesprocessen i fare, har vi foretaget en grundig vurdering af situationen. I betragtning af virkningen af sådanne erklæringer på objektiv evaluering, har vi fastslået, at den mest passende fremgangsmåde er at fortsætte med en fuld tilbagebetaling af alle indbetalinger og permanent lukning af kontoen. Denne beslutning er truffet i nøje overensstemmelse med vores etablerede politikker og procedurer for at opretholde retfærdigheden og gennemsigtigheden af vores platform.
Bemærk venligst, at denne beslutning er endelig og ikke vil blive genovervejet. Hvis du har brug for yderligere oplysninger om tilbagebetalingsprocessen, bedes du kontakte vores supportteam.
Venlig hilsen,
WEISS Team
Dear Сonfusingseeker,
Thank you for reaching out to us regarding your account status. We appreciate your patience as we reviewed your case.
Upon thorough investigation, we identified an issue with the processing of one of your deposits that required additional verification. We understand that such matters can be concerning, and we are committed to working with our players to reach fair resolutions.
While we understand this may be frustrating, resolving such matters takes time and cooperation from all parties involved. In light of the response received from the player, which included accusations and statements that put the review process at risk, we have conducted a thorough assessment of the situation. Given the impact of such statements on objective evaluation, we have determined that the most appropriate course of action is to proceed with a full refund of all deposits and the permanent closure of the account. This decision has been made in strict accordance with our established policies and procedures to uphold the fairness and transparency of our platform.
Please note that this decision is final and will not be reconsidered. If you require further information regarding the refund process, please contact our support team.
Du er ikke det sidste ord. Man kan ikke bare sige, at en beslutning er endelig, og det er den. Du er ikke så magtfuld.
Jeg vil gerne være sikker på, hvad du siger:
- en spiller foretager en indbetaling
- Weiss laver en fejl og krediterer en tredje indbetaling ved et uheld.
- en spiller vinder med de andre indskud, de har foretaget
- på grund af denne "fejl" har Weiss ret til ikke at betale gevinster fra de andre vellykkede indskud?
Hvis du fortæller mig, at dette er korrekt, er det en stor fidus, du har. Du kan gøre dette med alle dine spillere og aldrig have nogen risiko. Hvis de mister deres indskud, vinder du, hvis de vinder, skal du blot kreditere deres indskud tilbage og lukke deres konto og ikke betale nogen gevinster, lyder det som en god fidus for mig.
Du skrev lige "oprethold retfærdigheden og gennemsigtigheden af vores platform."
- Er det rimeligt ikke at betale en spiller deres legitime gevinster?
- af hensyn til gennemsigtigheden viser mig, at de faktiske detaljer om denne undersøgelse med datoer og beløb.
- af hensyn til gennemsigtighed kan vi se tilbage på rækken af e-mails, som jeg har modtaget, og se efter gennemsigtighed. Jeg vil fortælle dig, at alt, hvad vi vil se, er generiske svar.
Du skrev "etablerede politikker og procedurer", da du er så "gennemsigtig", hvad med at vise mig, og alle andre, disse politikker, der siger, at du ikke behøver at betale en spiller deres lovligt vundne gevinster.
Du kan ikke ikke betale mig mine gevinster, som var gyldige. Du var ikke villig til at dele nogen information om denne "undersøgelse", der var aktivitet på min spillerkonto uden min tilladelse.
Når du træffer beslutningen om at blokere min konto og fryse mine penge uden nogen egentlig forklaring, detaljer eller tidslinjer, er den eneste forklaring tyveri. Og nu kan jeg se, at jeg havde ret.
Jeg har alle skærmbillederne, der viser min saldo, mine indskud og mine gevinster. Min saldo inklusive depositum på $1000, som DU har rodet med, var $9709usdt. Det betyder, at du skylder mig $8709usdt. Et casino kan ikke bare beslutte sig for ikke at udbetale gevinster, fordi de har et problem med DERES betalingsudbyder.
Med hensyn til de beskyldninger, som jeg fremsatte om dig, var det eneste, du skulle gøre, at besvare mine spørgsmål om "undersøgelsen" med mere end en række kopier og indsæt-svar. Men når alt det er sagt, giver du mig ret. Du forsøger bogstaveligt talt at stjæle mine gevinster.
Jeg har taget en beslutning, som vil være endelig. Betal mig hele saldoen på $8709.
Hello Weiss,
You are not the final say. You cannot just say that a decision is final and it is. You are not that powerful.
I want to make sure of what you are saying:
- a player makes a deposit
- Weiss makes a mistake and credits a third deposit by accident.
- a player wins with the other deposits that they made
- because of this "mistake" Weiss has the right to not pay winnings made from the other successful deposits?
If you tell me this is correct that's a great scam you have. You could do this with all your players and never have any risk. If they lose their deposits you win, if they win just credit their deposits back and close their account and not pay any winnings, sounds like a good scam to me.
You just wrote "uphold the fairness and transparency of our platform."
- Is it fair to not pay a player their legitimate winnings?
- for transparency purposes show me that actual details of this investigation with dates and amounts.
- for transparency purposes we can look back at the series of emails that I received and look for transparency, I will tell you all that we will see is generic responses.
You wrote "established policies and procedures", since you are so "transparent" how about showing me, and everyone else, these policies that state that you don't have to pay a player their legitimately won winnings.
You can't not pay me my winnings which were valid. You were unwilling to share any information about this "investigation", there was activity in my players account without my authorization.
When you make the decision to block my account and freeze my money with no real explanation, details or timelines the only explanation is theft. And now I see that I was right.
I have all the screenshots showing my balance, my deposits and my winnings. My balance including the deposit of $1000, that YOU messed up, was $9709usdt. That means that you owe me $8709usdt. A casino cannot just decide not to pay out winnings because they have an issue with THEIR payment provider.
As for the accusations that I made about you, all you had to do was answer my questions about the "investigation" with more than a series of copy and paste replies. But with all of that being said you are proving me right. You are attempting to literally steal my winnings.
I have made a decision, which will be final. Pay me the whole balance of $8709.
Tak Confusingseeker for al informationen. Vi mener, at kasinoet ikke bør konfiskere alle gevinster baseret på 1 ukrediteret indbetaling. Hvis spillerens saldo ikke faldt under en specifik grænse (mens de 1000 € trækkes fra), skulle gevinsten være berettiget.
Jeg vil nu videresende din klage til min kollega Branislav ( [email protected] ), som vil hjælpe dig fra nu af.
Ønsker dig held og lykke med at løse det.
Med venlig hilsen
Nick
Thank you Confusingseeker for all the information provided. We believe that the casino should not confiscate all the winnings based on 1 uncredited deposit. If the player's balance did not fall under a specific limit (while deducting the 1000€), the winnings should be eligible.
I will now forward your complaint to my colleague Branislav ([email protected]) who will be assisting you from now on.
De fortalte mig, at de kun ville refundere mine indskud, og det har de ikke engang gjort.
Af de 7 kreditkortindskud på $1000usdt sendte de mig kun 6. Og de sendte mig $69.25 usdt gennem Interac for i alt $6069.25 usdt.
Før de blokerede min konto og ikke medregnet de $1000, der ikke skulle have været krediteret, havde jeg en saldo på $8709,07 usdt. Hvilket betyder, at de stadig skal sende mig $2639.82 USDT.
Tak for din hjælp.
Christopher
Hello,
I wanted to provide you an update.
They told me that they were only going to refund my deposits and they haven't even done that.
Of the 7 credit card deposits of $1000usdt they only sent me 6. And they sent me $69.25 usdt through Interac for a total of $6069.25 usdt.
Before they blocked my account and not counting the $1000 that shouldn't have been credited I had a balance of $8709.07 usdt. Which means that they still need to send me $2639.82 USDT.
Ville bare give dig en opdatering. De har nu sendt mig de sidste $1000, som de sagde, de ville sende mig. De skylder mig nu mine gevinster på $1639,83 USDT.
Tak
Hello,
Just wanted provide you an update. They have now sent me that last $1000 that they said they were going to send me. They now owe me my winnings of $1639.83 USDT.
Jeg kontakter mig for at se, om der er nogen opdatering. Jeg har ikke hørt fra dig, siden Nick sagde, at du ville tage fat. Og det er over 24 timer siden, at timeren er udløbet.
Ser frem til at høre fra dig.
Christopher
Hello Branislav,
I am reaching out to see if there is any update. I have not heard from you since Nick said you would be reaching out. And it's been over 24 hours since the timer has expired.
Jeg er ked af at høre om din ubehagelige oplevelse. Fra nu af vil jeg hjælpe dig med sagen.
Ud fra det, jeg har læst ovenfor, tror jeg, at hovedspørgsmålene her er din offentlige klage på casino.guru og dit sprog og stødende udtalelser mod kasinoet på det tidspunkt, hvor dets interne undersøgelse endnu ikke var afsluttet, så før du indsender klagen her, synes jeg, det var okay bare at være tålmodig og vente på resultaterne af deres undersøgelse. Hvis en fejl havde været på casinoets eller dets betalingsudbyders/processors side, ville de sandsynligvis ikke have haft en grund til ikke at betale dine omstridte gevinster fuldt ud, måske trække 1 betaling på 1.000 fra din gevinst/saldo.
Lad os prøve på en eller anden måde at løse det rationelt sammen. Men selvom jeg forstår din frustration og den lange proces, beder jeg dig nu seriøst om at undgå stødende sprogbrug mod casinoet og være tålmodig, indtil casinoet giver os flere detaljer om sagen. Med det formål at "starte fra begyndelsen" og give kasinoet sikkerhed for, at vi kan løse sagen uden at bruge stødende sprog og ord mod kasinoet offentligt, vil jeg skjule de tidligere indlæg i denne tråd og opdatere sammendraget af klagen i overensstemmelse hermed. Ellers skal du bemærke, at hvis du fortsætter med din kommunikation efter denne advarsel, vil jeg være tvunget til at overveje forskellige næste trin.
På forhånd mange tak for din tålmodighed og forståelse!
Kære Weiss Casino Team ,
Kan du forklare spillerens situation mere detaljeret? Hvorfor er brugerens konto blevet spærret/lukket og gevinster konfiskeret?
Hvad skete der præcist der? Forstår jeg korrekt, at brugerens udtalelser "afsluttede" kasinoets undersøgelse for tidligt, og derfor besluttede kasinoet at refundere hans indskud i stedet for at betale hans saldo/gevinster på en standard måde? Hvis det er tilfældet, og jeg tror oprigtigt, at du forstår, at det kan gøre folk skøre, hvis nogen beholder deres penge (især betydelige beløb) uden at give en begrundet grund eller detaljer i lang tid - hvis spilleren akkumulerede sine gevinster fra de behandlede/afsluttede indbetalinger, som kasinoet modtog uden problemer, uden at bryde kasinoets vilkår og betingelser, og gevinsten er i stand til at genoverveje, og vil dens beslutning om at betale kasinoet være i stand til at genoverveje. brugerens gevinster?
Hvis der var et brud, eller (for eksempel) det refunderede beløb tilsammen er højere end beløbet for de omstridte midler, er du naturligvis velkommen til at give os de nødvendige detaljer og understøttende beviser.
Hvis det er nødvendigt, kan du bruge min e-mailadresse ( [email protected] ).
På forhånd mange tak, fordi du tog dig tid til at genoverveje situationen på trods af alt ovenstående.
Greetings all,
I am sorry for the delay.
Dear Christopher,
I am sorry to hear about your unpleasant experience. From now on, I will assist you with the case.
From what I have read above, I think that the main issues here are your public complaint on casino.guru and your language and offensive statements against the casino at the time its internal investigation was not finished yet, so before submitting the complaint here, I think it was alright to just stay patient and wait for the results of their investigation. If a mistake had been on the casino's side or its payment provider's/processor's side, they would not have probably had a reason to not pay your disputed winnings in full, maybe deducting 1 payment of 1,000 from your winnings/balance.
Let's try to somehow rationally solve it together. However, although I understand your frustration and the lengthy process, I am now seriously asking you to avoid offensive language against the casino and stay patient until the casino provides us with more details regarding the matter. For the purpose of "starting from the beginning" and providing the casino with assurance that we can resolve the matter without using offensive language and words against the casino publicly, I will hide the previous posts in this thread and update the summary of the complaint accordingly. Otherwise, please note if you continue with the way of your communication after this warning, I will be forced to consider different next steps.
Thank you very much in advance for your patience and understanding!
Dear Weiss Casino Team,
Could you please explain the player's situation in more detail? Why has the user's account been blocked/closed and winnings confiscated?
What exactly happened there? Do I understand correctly the user's statements "finished" the casino's investigation prematurely, and therefore, the casino decided to refund his deposits instead of paying his balance/winnings in a standard way? If so, and I sincerely believe you understand that it may make people crazy if someone holds their money (especially significant amounts) without providing a justified reason or details for a long time - if the player accumulated his winnings from the processed/completed deposits that the casino received without issues, without breaching the casino's Terms and Conditions and the winnings are legitimate, would the casino be able and willing to reconsider its decision and pay the rest of the user's winnings?
Of course, if there was a breach or (for example) the refunded amount together is higher than the amount of the disputed funds, feel free to provide us with the necessary details and supporting evidence.
Tak for din fortsatte støtte og engagement i at sikre fair repræsentation af både spillere og platformen.
Vi vil gerne informere dig om, at et mere detaljeret svar fra WEISS Team vil blive sendt til dig direkte via e-mail. Dette brev vil indeholde alle nødvendige detaljer og afklaringer vedrørende sagen.
På dette trin kan vi bekræfte følgende: Selvom den pågældende bruger gennemførte flere indbetalinger med succes, blev en transaktion til et beløb på $1.000 markeret af vores system til yderligere verifikation i overensstemmelse med afsnit 12.16 i vores vilkår og betingelser :
"12.16Hvis WEI$$ af en eller anden grund fejlagtigt krediterer din medlemskonto eller spilkontosaldo, er det dit ansvar straks at underrette WEI$$ om fejlen og tilbagebetale den forkerte saldo til WEI$$."
Desuden er WEISS i henhold til afsnit 7.3 ikke i stand til fuldt ud at eliminere muligheden for tekniske problemer, og brugere forventes at rapportere sådanne hændelser, hvis de fortsætter.
"7.3Du accepterer, at WEI$$ ikke kan forhindre alle potentielle og mulige tekniske problemer. Hvis du står over for et teknisk problem, mens du bruger webstedet eller spillene, bedes du underrette vores kundesupport via e-mail på ."
I dette tilfælde, ved at registrere sig på vores platform, accepterede brugeren udtrykkeligt vilkårene og betingelserne for alle aktiviteter på webstedet. Efterfølgende dukkede et indskud på 1.000 $ op på brugerens konto. Brugeren var dog ikke i stand til at bekræfte legitimiteten af denne transaktion, da der ikke blev givet nogen afklaring eller bekræftelse af indbetalingen. På grund af brugerens manglende levering af den nødvendige bekræftelse, anses dette depositum for at være fejlagtigt. På trods af at have modtaget depositum på $1.000, fortsatte brugeren med at engagere sig i platformen uden at give os besked om problemet. Brugeren blev behørigt informeret om kravet om at give afklaring vedrørende depositum, især hvis det var en fejl, men valgte ikke at overholde som angivet i WEISS vilkår og betingelser.
Som skitseret i afsnit 11.2 kan sådan adfærd - især i tilfælde, hvor verifikation afventer - resultere i midlertidig suspendering eller permanent lukning af kontoen, især når aktiviteten anses for at være potentielt svigagtig eller udgør en risiko for platformens integritet. En tilsvarende klausul, der behandler dette spørgsmål, er som følger:
"11.2Hvis WEI$$ har mistanke om, at du er involveret i ulovlige eller svigagtige aktiviteter, mens du bruger hjemmesiden eller spillene, eller hvis du har problemer med kreditorer eller på anden måde udgør en skade for vores forretning, forbeholder vi os retten til at fastfryse eller afslutte din medlemskonto eller annullere enhver indsats efter vores absolutte diskretion."
Derudover omfattede efterfølgende handlinger foretaget af brugeren påstande, der forhindrede det korrekte forløb af vores undersøgelse. I overensstemmelse med afsnit 6.6 forbeholder WEISS sig retten til at træffe passende foranstaltninger som reaktion på adfærd, der anses for at være forstyrrende eller uforenelig med standarderne for respektfuldt og samarbejdsvilligt engagement. Den tilsvarende klausul lyder som følger:
"6.6WEI$$ tolererer ikke nedsættende, krænkende eller voldelig adfærd eller udtalelser, der er truende, vulgære, ærekrænkende eller på anden måde stødende. Skulle du opføre dig på en sådan måde over for WEI$$'s medarbejdere, (som bestemt efter WEI$$'s eneste mening), forbeholder WEI$$ sig retten til at lukke/$$ lukke medlemskonto og/eller afbryde din WEI-konto og/eller svare fra. og/eller træffe yderligere foranstaltninger, som måtte anses for passende, herunder rapportering til relevante lokale myndigheder og retshåndhævende myndigheder."
Efter en grundig intern gennemgang - og under hensyntagen til både manglende levering af den ønskede bekræftelse og adfærd, der kompromitterede undersøgelsen - fastslog vi, at den passende fremgangsmåde var at udstede en fuld refusion af alle vellykket gennemførte indbetalinger og fortsætte med den permanente deaktivering af brugerens konto.
Denne beslutning blev truffet i fuld overensstemmelse med vores vilkår og betingelser og afspejler vores løbende forpligtelse til at opretholde et sikkert, retfærdigt og gennemsigtigt platformsmiljø.
Vi sætter pris på din forståelse og tålmodighed gennem hele denne proces, og vi glæder os over alle yderligere spørgsmål, du måtte have.
Kærlig hilsen,
WEISS Team
Dear Branislav,
Thank you for your continued support and commitment to ensuring fair representation of both players and the platform.
We would like to inform you that a more detailed response from the WEISS Team will be sent to you directly via email. This letter will include all necessary details and clarifications regarding the case.
At this stage, we can confirm the following: although the user in question successfully completed several deposits, one transaction in the amount of $1,000 was flagged by our system for further verification in accordance with Section 12.16 of our Terms & Conditions:
"12.16If for any reason, WEI$$ incorrectly credits Your Member Account or Game account balance, it is Your responsibility to immediately notify WEI$$ of the error, and repay WEI$$ the incorrect balance."
Furthermore, under Section 7.3, WEISS is not able to fully eliminate the possibility of technical issues, and users are expected to report such occurrences should they persist.
"7.3 You agree that WEI$$ cannot prevent all potential and possible Technical Issues. If You face any Technical Issue while using the Website or the Games, please notify Our customer support via email at [email protected]."
In this case, by registering on our platform, the user expressly accepted the Terms & Conditions governing all activities on the site. Subsequently, a deposit of $1,000 appeared on the user's account. However, the user was unable to confirm the legitimacy of this transaction, as no clarification or confirmation of the deposit was provided. Due to the user's failure to supply the necessary verification, this deposit is considered erroneous. Despite receiving the $1,000 deposit, the user continued to engage with the platform without notifying us of the issue. The user was duly informed of the requirement to provide clarification regarding the deposit, particularly if it was an error, but chose not to comply as stated in WEISS Terms and Conditions.
As outlined in Section 11.2, such conduct - particularly in cases where verification is pending - may result in the temporary suspension or permanent closure of the account, especially when the activity is considered potentially fraudulent or poses a risk to the integrity of the platform. A corresponding clause that addresses this matter is as follows:
"11.2 If WEI$$ suspects that you are engaged in illegal or fraudulent activities while using the Website or the Games, or are in breach of this Agreement, or if you are experiencing issues with creditors or otherwise posing a detriment to our business, we reserve the right to freeze or terminate your Member Account or cancel any stakes at our absolute discretion."
Additionally, subsequent actions taken by the user included allegations that impeded the proper course of our investigation. In accordance with Section 6.6, WEISS reserves the right to take appropriate measures in response to conduct that is deemed disruptive or inconsistent with the standards of respectful and cooperative engagement.The corresponding clause reads as follows:
"6.6 WEI$$ will not tolerate derogatory, abusive or violent behavior or statements that are threatening, vulgar, defamatory or otherwise offensive. Should You behave in any such manner towards WEI$$’s employees, (as determined in WEI$$’s sole opinion), WEI$$ reserves the right to suspend and/or close Your Member Account and stop all communication and/or replies from WEI$$, and/or take any further measures as may be deemed appropriate, including reporting to relevant local authorities and law enforcement agencies."
Following a thorough internal review - and taking into account both the failure to provide the requested verification and the behavior that compromised the investigation - we determined that the appropriate course of action was to issue a full refund of all successfully completed deposits and to proceed with the permanent deactivation of the user's account.
This decision was made in full compliance with our Terms & Conditions, and reflects our ongoing commitment to maintaining a secure, fair, and transparent platform environment.
We appreciate your understanding and patience throughout this process, and we welcome any further questions you may have.
Jeg har læst svaret fra Weiss, og jeg kan også spille vilkår og betingelser.
Den vigtigste artikel, der er i Weiss vilkår og betingelser, og den, der gælder direkte for denne situation, er formuleret perfekt i artiklen:
4.2 Hvis WEI$$ ved en fejl krediterer Din Medlemskonto med gevinster, der ikke tilhører Dig, uanset om det skyldes en teknisk eller menneskelig fejl eller på anden måde, forbliver beløbet WEI$$'s ejendom, og beløbet vil blive overført fra Din Medlemskonto. Hvis du inden WEI$$ bliver opmærksom på fejlen, har hævet penge, som ikke tilhører Dig, uden at det berører andre retsmidler og handlinger, der kan være tilgængelige ved lov eller på anden måde, vil det beløb, der er betalt ved en fejl , udgøre en gæld, som Du skylder WEI$$. I tilfælde af en forkert kreditering, er du forpligtet til straks at underrette WEI$$ via e-mail.
Som du kan se, står det tydeligt, at beløbet betalt ved en fejl skal betales tilbage. Der står intet om eventuelle andre gevinster. Dette refererer tydeligt til den $1000 indbetaling, som WEISS fejlagtigt krediterede min konto.
Weiss henviser også perfekt til artiklen:
12.16 Hvis WEI$$ af en eller anden grund fejlagtigt krediterer din medlemskonto eller spilkontosaldo, er det dit ansvar straks at underrette WEI$$ om fejlen og tilbagebetale den forkerte saldo til WEI$$.
Weiss krediterede forkert min konto, og de bemærkede det før jeg gjorde. Nu hvor fejlen er blevet bemærket, bør vi følge deres vilkår og betingelser, og jeg vil tilbagebetale Weiss den forkerte saldo, $1000, og de skylder mig resten. Ligesom de har sagt bør gøres i deres vilkår. De har ingen ret til at tilbageholde mine gevinster lavet med mine andre indskud.
De insinuerer, at jeg vidste eller burde have fortalt dem tidligere om den fejl, "de" begik, men jeg vidste ikke, at de begik denne fejl. Det er ikke som det sagde, at indbetalingen mislykkedes på deres side, men de $1000 dukkede stadig op på kontoen, den sagde, at det var vellykket, og jeg har skærmbilleder til at bevise dette. Dette skete også alt sammen i løbet af få timer. Jeg havde ingen grund til at stille spørgsmålstegn ved godkendelsen af indbetalingen, fordi Weiss først vil kreditere min spillerkonto, når de har modtaget alle de nødvendige godkendelser. Dette er beskrevet i artiklen:
2.14. Når du bruger et kredit- eller betalingskort til at indbetale penge, bliver dine midler kun ryddet, når WEI$$ har modtaget en uigenkaldelig godkendelses- og autorisationskode. Skulle WEI$$ ikke modtage en sådan godkendelse og kode, vil din medlemskonto ikke blive krediteret med disse midler.
Efter at jeg havde afgivet indbetalingsordren, modtog jeg en besked om, at indbetalingen var vellykket, og pengene blev krediteret min konto, og baseret på deres egne vilkår og betingelser er der absolut ingen grund for mig til at stille spørgsmålstegn ved, om det lykkedes eller ej, da de ikke ville have krediteret min Weiss-konto, hvis de ikke havde "modtaget uigenkaldelig godkendelse og autorisationskode".
Derfor var jeg fuldstændig uvidende om, at DERES betalingsudbyder havde lavet en fejl.
Se næste svar...
Hello,
I have read the response from Weiss and I can play the terms and conditions game too.
The most important article that is in the Weiss Terms and Conditions, and the one that applies directly to this situation is laid out perfectly in article:
4.2 If WEI$$ by mistake credits Your Member Account with winnings that do not belong to You, whether due to a technical or human error or otherwise, the amount will remain the property of WEI$$ and the amount will be transferred from Your Member Account. If prior to WEI$$ becoming aware of the mistake You have withdrawn funds that do not belong to You, without prejudice to other remedies and actions that may be available by law or otherwise, the amount paid by mistake will constitute a debt owed by You to WEI$$. In the event of an incorrect crediting, You are obliged to notify WEI$$ immediately by email.
As you can see it clearly states the amount paid by mistake will have to be paid back. It says nothing about any other winnings. This clearly refers to the $1000 deposit that WEISS mistakenly credited to my account.
Weiss also perfectly refers to article:
12.16 If for any reason, WEI$$ incorrectly credits Your Member Account or Game account balance, it is Your responsibility to immediately notify WEI$$ of the error, and repay WEI$$ the incorrect balance.
Weiss incorrectly credited my account and they noticed before I did. Now that the error has been noticed we should follow their terms and conditions and I will repay Weiss the incorrect balance, the $1000, and they owe me the rest. Just as they have stated should be done in there terms. They have no right to withhold my winnings made with my other deposits.
They are insinuating that I knew or should have told them earlier about the mistake that "they" made, but I didn't know that they made this mistake. It is not like it said that the deposit failed on their site but the $1000 still showed up in the account, it said it was successful and I have screenshots to prove this. This also all happened in the matter of a few hours. I had no reason to question the approval of the deposit because Weiss will only credit my players account once they have received all the necessary approvals. This is laid out in article:
2.14. When using a credit or debit card for depositing funds, Your funds only clear when WEI$$ has received an irrevocable approval and authorization code. Should WEI$$ not receive such approval and code Your Member Account will not be credited with those funds.
After I placed the deposit order I received a message stating that the deposit was successful and the money was credited to my account, and based on their own terms and conditions there is absolutely no reason for me to question if it was successful or not, since they would not have credited my Weiss account if they hadn't have "received irrevocable approval and authorization code".
Therefore I was completely unaware that THEIR payment provider had made an error.
I Weiss' svar skrev de nogle skandaløse påstande, næsten som om jeg vidste, at de havde begået en fejl, men som vist ovenfor havde jeg ingen grund til at sætte spørgsmålstegn ved godkendelsens gyldighed.
De skrev:
"På trods af at have modtaget indbetalingen på 1.000 dollars, fortsatte brugeren med at interagere med platformen uden at underrette os om problemet. (Jeg vidste ikke, at der var et problem, fordi de ifølge Weiss' vilkår havde fået godkendelse, og jeg modtog en besked fra Weiss om, at alt var godkendt. Og jeg interagerede ikke, efter de havde fortalt mig, at der var et problem). Brugeren blev behørigt informeret om kravet om at give afklaring vedrørende indbetalingen, især hvis det var en fejl, men valgte ikke at efterkomme kravet (jeg fremlagde kontoudtog og skærmbilleder, der viste de vellykkede indbetalinger. Der er intet, de bad om, som jeg ikke har fremlagt, og som jeg ellers gerne vil se. Jeg har endda lagt disse e-mails og skærmbilleder op i denne klage. Jeg skjuler ikke noget.)"
Det er meget nemt at fremsætte usandsynlige påstande uden beviser, så hvis de kan, så lad os bakke disse påstande op, for jeg kan bevise alt, hvad jeg siger.
De citerede artikel 11.2. At jeg påstod, at jeg var involveret i svigagtig og ulovlig aktivitet? Hvor kommer det ind i billedet? Endnu en besynderlig påstand. Bed dem venligst om at fremlægge bevis for disse påstande.
Deres svar omfattede også
"Efter en grundig intern gennemgang - og under hensyntagen til både manglende fremlæggelse af den ønskede bekræftelse (hvilken anden bekræftelse var påkrævet? Jeg blev bedt om kontoudtog og skærmbilleder, som jeg fremlagde inden for få timer. Jeg har ikke en kontoudtog, der viser en indbetaling, der ikke gik igennem) og den adfærd, der kompromitterede efterforskningen" (hvilken adfærd taler de om? Beder de om svar, fordi jeg troede, de stjal fra mig? Blev de såret over, at de ikke kunne bearbejde smerten ved at udføre en efterforskning? Dette er den mest absurde udtalelse, jeg har læst.)
Det her er virkeligheden, og vi har at gøre med rigtige penge, mine penge, og hvis et firma, et casino, kan beslutte ikke at udbetale gevinster, fordi deres følelser er såret, er det absurd. Og hvis det vurderes, at dette er en berettiget grund til ikke at udbetale en spiller hans penge, vil vi absolut se på yderligere samtaler.
Hvis man bare tager et skridt tilbage og ser på situationen som en helhed, er det meget enkelt og greit. De begik en fejl. De krediterede mig 1000 dollars, jeg brugte mine andre indbetalinger til at vinde nogle penge, og nu, i stedet for bare at tage de penge tilbage, som ikke burde have været krediteret, som de sagde skulle gøres i deres vilkår og betingelser, vil de også have mine gevinster? Det er tyveri.
Som jeg nævnte tidligere, hvis denne type adfærd er tilladt, kan de bruge denne fidus konstant. Hvis jeg mister mine andre indbetalinger, ville de beholde mine penge, og jeg ville være nødt til at betale dem de 1000 dollars, men siden jeg vandt, krediterer de bare mine indbetalinger tilbage? Der er ingen risiko for dem, de kunne gøre dette til alle spillernes konti og slet ikke skulle udbetale nogen gevinster på grund af deres "fejl".
Jeg er villig til ikke at nedgøre eller tale dårligt om Weiss på hjemmesider som Casino Guru, AskGamblers, Trustpilot og mange andre anmeldelsessider, hvis de udbetaler mig mine gevinster. Men hvis de ikke gør det, og de har succes med at stjæle mine gevinster, vil jeg absolut gøre det til en mission for mig at ødelægge deres omdømme, for i modsætning til dem har jeg beviserne. Jeg ved ikke, om det er den type "sprog", du taler om, men jeg står ved alt, hvad jeg siger. Når en virksomhed bogstaveligt talt forsøger at stjæle fra mig, vil jeg gøre, hvad der kræves for at få mine penge tilbage eller forsøge at forhindre andre i at blive snydt. Jeg håber, at Casino Guru har samme tankegang.
Jeg beder ikke om noget, der ikke retmæssigt er mit, og jeg tror, vi alle kan være enige om det. De har ikke vist eller bevist nogen grund til, hvorfor mine gevinster ikke skulle udbetales.
Jeg ser frem til at høre fra dig.
Christopher C*******
Continued
In Weiss' response they wrote some outrageous claims, almost as if I knew that they made a mistake, but as shown above I had no reason to question the validity of the approval.
They wrote:
"Despite receiving the $1,000 deposit, the user continued to engage with the platform without notifying us of the issue. (I didn't know there was an issue because according to Weiss' terms they received approval and I received a message from Weiss stating that everything was approved. And I didn't engage after they told me there was an issue) The user was duly informed of the requirement to provide clarification regarding the deposit, particularly if it was an error, but chose not to comply (I provided bank statements and screenshots showing the successful deposits. There is nothing that they asked for that I didn't provide and I would like to see otherwise. I even posted those emails and screenshots on this complaint. I am not hiding anything.)
It's very easy to make outlandish claims with no proof, so if they can please backup these statements because I can prove everything that I am saying.
They quoted article 11.2. Stating that I was engaging in fraudulent and illegal activity? Where does that come in here? Another outlandish statement. Please have them provide proof of these statements.
Their response also included
"Following a thorough internal review - and taking into account both the failure to provide the requested verification (what other verification was required? I was asked for bank statements and screenshots which I provided within hours. I don't have a bank statement showing a deposit that didn't go through) and the behavior that compromised the investigation" (what behaviour are they speaking about? Asking for answers because I thought they were stealing from me? Were their feelings hurt that they couldn't work through the pain to perform an investigation? This is the most absurd statement that I have read.)
This is real life and we are dealing with real money, my money, and if a company, a casino, can decide not to pay winnings because their feelings are hurt is absurd. And if it is deemed that this is a justifiable reason to not pay a player his money we will absolutely be looking at further conversations.
If you just take a step back and look at this situation as a whole this is very cut and dry. They made a mistake. They credited me $1000, I used my other deposits to win some money and now instead of just taking back the money that shouldn't have been credited, as they stated should be done in their terms and conditions, they also want my winnings? That is theft.
As I mentioned earlier, if this type of behaviour is allowed they could use this scam constantly. If I lost my other deposits they would keep my money and I would have to pay them the $1000, but since I won they just credit my deposits back? There is no risk for them, they could do this to all players accounts and not have to pay any winnings at all because of their "mistakes".
I am willing to not blast or bad talk Weiss all over websites like Casino guru, AskGamblers, Trustpilot among many other review sites if they pay me my winnings. But if they don't, and they are successful in stealing my winnings I will absolutely make it a mission of mine to ruin their reputation, because unlike them I have the proof. I don't know if this is the type of "language" you were speaking of, but I stand by everything that I say. When a company is attempting to literally steal from me I will do what it takes to get my money back or try and prevent others from being scammed. I hope Casino Guru is under the same mindset.
I am not asking for anything that isn't rightfully mine and I think we can all agree on that. They have not shown or proved any reason why my winnings should not be paid out.
Tak til jer begge for jeres svar, yderligere oplysninger og e-mails. Jeg beklager forsinkelsen.
Kære Christopher ,
" Jeg ved ikke, om det er den type "sprog", du talte om, men jeg står ved alt, hvad jeg siger. "
Ja, det er præcis det sprog, jeg talte om, og du blev tydeligt advaret om, at jeg vil blive tvunget til at overveje forskellige næste skridt. For at være ærlig var jeg glad for, at kasinoet efter alle dine udtalelser var i stand til og villig til at kommunikere med os og forsynede os med alle de nødvendige detaljer vedrørende sagen. Måske kun takket være min tidligere tilgang, kunne vi have opnået noget her, hvis du ikke var fortsat med kommunikationsmåden, der involverede udtryk som "fidus, tyveri, tyveri..." - igen. Jeg bad dig om noget, og jeg stod klar til at hjælpe dig under de givne betingelser/krav til din videre kommunikation. Du har ikke efterkommet min anmodning.
I hvert fald vil jeg gerne stille dig et par vigtige spørgsmål nu.
Forstår jeg rigtigt, at der senere også var en anden fejlagtig krediteret indbetaling på din casinokonto, og også, at du på et tidspunkt, under deres undersøgelse, informerede casinoet om, at din betalingsudbyder ville bestride alle indbetalinger foretaget til casinoet, med andre ord - om tilbageførsler? Hvis ja, er du klar over, at det betyder et alvorligt brud på casinoets vilkår og betingelser, og det i bund og grund gør dine gevinster ugyldige?
Kan du fortælle mig, hvordan du trods alt forestiller dig, at vi kan hjælpe dig yderligere med at løse dit problem?
Tak.
Greetings all,
Thank you both for your replies, additional information, and emails. I am sorry for the delay.
Dear Christopher,
"I don't know if this is the type of "language" you were speaking of, but I stand by everything that I say."
Yes, that is exactly the language I was speaking of, and you were clearly warned that I will be forced to consider different next steps. To be honest, I was glad that after all your statements, the casino was able and willing to communicate with us and provided us with all the necessary details regarding the matter. Maybe only thanks to my previous approach, we could have achieved something here if you had not continued with the way of communication involving expressions such as "scam, stealing, theft..." - again. I asked you for something, and I was ready to help you under the given conditions/requirements for your further communication. You failed to comply with my request.
Anyway, I would like to ask you a few important questions now.
Do I understand correctly that later, there was also another mistakenly credited deposit to your casino account, and also, that at some point, during their investigation, you informed the casino that your payment provider would dispute all the deposits made to the casino, in other words - about chargebacks? If so, are you aware of the fact that it means a serious breach of the casino's Terms and Conditions, and it basically makes your winnings invalid?
Can you please let me know how, after all, you imagine we can further help you in resolving your issue?
Hvis du går på et kasino, og du vinder med dine godkendte indskud, og kasinoet sparker dig ud uden at betale dig dine gevinster, hvad vil du så kalde det? Jeg kalder det tyveri. Hvad kalder du det? Hvordan skal jeg ellers beskrive, hvad der er sket?
Kan du fortælle mig, hvordan du trods alt forestiller dig, at vi kan hjælpe dig yderligere med at løse dit problem? Hvad med, fordi det angiveligt er, hvad dit websted gør. Hjælp med at beskytte spillere, der tydeligvis bliver stjålet fra. I stedet for at give offer skylden, så ser vi på fakta.
Dit fulde svar ovenfor adresserer slet ikke det faktum, at de ikke har udbetalt mine gevinster. Du er offer skylden. Se på fakta og prøv at tage i betragtning, hvis jeg stjal din lønseddel, vil du gerne være venlig med mig?
Helt ærligt, hvis du ikke er villig til at hjælpe mig på grund af at jeg kalder dem ud på deres lyssky, uærlige og ulovlige taktik, så er du lige så skyldig som de er. Det kaldes "medhjælp" og jeg har skærmbilleder af alt, hvad jeg har sagt, og jeg vil fortsætte med at bestride denne påstand gennem forskellige veje. Måske med et websted eller et tvistbilæggelsesfirma, der indser, at de har at gøre med voksne og rigtige penge og ikke med foregive penge, hvor spillere skal holde deres mund, når de bliver stjålet fra.
For at besvare dit spørgsmål: Der var absolut ikke en anden indbetaling, der blev krediteret forkert, før jeg blev blokeret. Der var nogle lyssky ting, der foregik, EFTER jeg blev blokeret fra deres side. Helt ærligt så det ud til, at de hvidvaskede penge gennem min konto. De blokerede al adgang til min konto den 19. marts kl. 6.45, og der var en indbetaling på min konto den 22. marts kl. 8.29, da jeg ikke kunne få adgang til min konto. Så hvad lavede de? Det lyder ulovligt for mig. Der skulle ikke have været nogen aktivitet overhovedet. Du har bankoplysningerne og skærmbillederne af transaktionshistorikken fra hjemmesiden. Så du ikke på det? Se på de oplysninger, jeg sendte Nick. Det viser tydeligt de indbetalinger, der er foretaget, før kontoen blev spærret, og pengene kommer ud af mit Visa. Alt, hvad de gjorde, efter at kontoen blev blokeret, var alle dem, men det ændrer ikke den saldo, jeg havde før spærringen.
Og ja, jeg spurgte mange, mange gange om, at mine spørgsmål skulle besvares, og da de aldrig gjorde det, og på det tidspunkt gav de mig aldrig nogen af mine penge tilbage, troede jeg, at jeg ville være ude af mine gevinster OG mine indbetalinger, så jeg fortalte dem, at jeg overvejede at kontakte Visa for at bestride indbetalingerne, hvilket jeg aldrig har bestridt, men jeg fik information om processen, da jeg så flere, efterhånden som de havde stjålet mine penge, og jeg søgte flere muligheder. Men i stedet stjal de bare mine gevinster. Men al snak om at bestride påstandene kunne have været undgået, hvis de ville have besvaret simple spørgsmål. Se min e-mail, jeg sendte, og se deres svar. Husk på dette tidspunkt, at de havde over $8500 USD af mine.
Hvis du ikke er villig til at hjælpe mig med dette, er du lige så skyldig. Jeg tager det faktum, at du har et så højt sikkerhedsindeks for et websted som dette, og du gjorde straks denne klage privat om, at du er i seng med denne side. Hvorfor skulle du ellers bryde dig så meget om at holde denne klage privat. Dette formodes at være et websted, som en spiller kan gå hen og få ægte upartisk information om websteder, før de sætter deres hårdt tjente penge ind. Folk formodes at stole på dette websted. Hvis du promoverer et websted eller fortæller spillere, at de kan stole på dette websted, efter at de har stjålet fra mig, er du en medskyldig. Fordi det ser ud til, at du forsøger at benægte denne påstand baseret på sprog, fordi der IKKE er NÆGTIGELSE, at de har mine gevinster, og de burde betale dem til mig.
Dette er det mest klare eksempel på misbrug, jeg nogensinde har set. Jeg har skærmbilleder, der viser, at DE rodede og krediterede mig $1000 ekstra, SOM JEG ALDRIG BRUGT, og dette er en undskyldning for ikke at betale MIG? Siger du virkelig, at dette er acceptabelt? Er det det, du mener med " Hvis vi ser spillere blive behandlet uretfærdigt eller udnyttet af uærlige kasinoer, træder vi ind og presser disse kasinoer til at gøre tingene bedre"?
Hvis du fortæller mig, at de ikke behøver at betale mig, og du fortæller mig, at denne adfærd er tilladt af et websted mod en spiller, vil jeg sørge for, at al denne korrespondance og klage kommer ud gennem forskellige kanaler og andre tvistesider, måske sider, der rent faktisk bekymrer sig om, at spillere bliver stjålet fra.
Så beslut venligst, hvordan du ønsker at blive fremstillet i denne situation, for jeg går ud fra, at du vil beskytte denne side og ikke offentliggøre denne klage, så jeg vil sørge for, at den bliver offentlig andre steder. Hvilket ikke vil se godt ud for Weiss og ikke vil se godt ud for Casino Guru, hvis du beskytter DEM. Jeg har ALT BEVISET. Jeg burde ikke være nødt til at kysse røven på et websted, så de betaler mig MINE PENGE.
Så hvad med at se på de rigtige fakta og rigtige skærmbilleder og ægte information i stedet for at læse ind på et offers sprog!
Branislav,
If you go to a casino and you win with your approved deposits and the casino kicks you out without paying you your winnings, what would you call that? I call it theft. What do you call it? How else am I supposed to describe what has happened?
Can you please let me know how, after all, you imagine we can further help you in resolving your issue? How about because it supposedly what your site does. Help protect players who are clearly being stolen from. Instead of victim blaming how about we look at facts.
Your full response above does not address at all the fact that they have not paid my winnings. You are victim blaming. Look at the facts and try to take into consideration if I stole your paycheck would you want to be friendly with me?
Honestly if you are unwilling to help me because of my calling them out on their shady, dishonest and illegal tactics then you are just as culpable as they are. It's called "aiding and abetting" And I have screenshots of all that I have said and I will continue disputing this claim through different avenues. Maybe with a site or a dispute resolution company that realizes that they are dealing with adults and real money and not with pretend money where players should keep their mouth shut as they are being stolen from.
To answer your question: there was absolutely not another deposit that was incorrectly credited prior to me being blocked. There was some shady stuff that was going on AFTER I was blocked from their site. Honestly it looked like they were laundering money through my account. They blocked all access to my account on March 19th at 6:45am and there was a deposit in my account on March 22nd at 8:29am, when I couldn't access my account. So what were they doing? Sounds illegal to me.There shouldn't have been any activity whatsoever. You have the banking information and the transaction history screenshots from the website. Did you not look at it? Look at the info that I sent Nick. It clearly shows the deposits made prior to the account being blocked and the money coming out of my Visa. Anything they did after the account was blocked was all them, but that doesn't change the balance that I had prior the the block.
And yes I asked many, many times that my questions be answered and since they never did and at that point they never gave me any of my money back, I thought that I was going to be out my winnings AND my deposits, so I told them that I was considering reaching out to Visa to dispute the deposits, which I never disputed but I did get information on the process, I was exploring my options as it was looking more and more like they had stolen ALL my money. But instead they just stole my winnings. But all of the talk about disputing the claims could have been avoided if they would have answered simple questions. See my email I sent and see their response. Keep in mind at this point that they had over $8500 USD of mine.
If you are unwilling to assist me with this then you are just as guilty. I take the fact that you have such a high safety index for a site like this, and you immediately made this complaint private that you are in bed with this site. Why else would you care so much to keep this complaint private. This is suppose to be a site that a player can go and get real unbiased information about sites before putting their hard earned money into. People are supposed to trust this site. If you are promoting a site or telling players they can trust this site after they have stolen from me then you are an accomplice. Because it looks like you are trying to deny this claim based on language, because there is NO DENYING they have my winnings and they should be paying them to me.
This is the most clear cut example of abuse that I have ever seen. I have screenshots showing that THEY messed up and credited me $1000 extra, THAT I NEVER USED and this is an excuse to not pay ME? Are you really saying this is acceptable? Is this what you mean by "If we see players being treated unfairly or exploited by dishonest casinos, we step in and push those casinos to make things better"?
If you tell me that they don't have to pay me and you are telling me that this behaviour is allowed by a site against a player I will make sure that all of this correspondence and complaint makes it out through different channels and other dispute sites, maybe sites that actually care about players being stolen from.
So please decide how you want to be portrayed in this situation, because I assume that you are going to protect this site and not make this complaint public, so I will make sure that it becomes public elsewhere. Which will not look good for Weiss and will not look good for Casino Guru if you protect THEM. I have ALL THE PROOF. I shouldn't have to kiss the ass of a site so that they pay me MY MONEY.
So how about looking at the real facts and real screenshots and real information instead of reading into the language of a victim!
Jeg kan stadig ikke fatte, hvad jeg læser fra dig og din holdning til denne sag indtil videre. Du har ignoreret åbenlyst tyveri og fokuseret på, at jeg ringer til siden, efter at de bogstaveligt talt har stjålet mine penge?? Virkelig ??
Jeg har givet dig alle oplysningerne, alle beviserne, alle de vilkår og betingelser, de har brudt, alle de vilkår og betingelser, der angiver, hvad der skal gøres i denne sag, og i stedet for overhovedet at adressere eller kommentere disse oplysninger, fokuserer du på, at jeg bruger bestemte ord ? Ord, der ikke er bandeord, men blot beskrivende engelsksprogede ord, der perfekt beskriver, hvad der er sket.
Du nævner, at du er glad for, at de overhovedet er villige til at tale med os om dette problem??? Er det den holdning, du har indtaget ? At selvom en virksomhed tydeligvis har gjort noget forkert, har vi brug for, at de er villige til at gøre noget ? Synes du bare, at politiet pænt beder indbrudstyve om at returnere penge, og hvis de ikke gør det, eller hvis deres følelser er såret, lader de dem beholde det, de har stjålet ?
Igen spurgte du, hvordan du tror, du stadig kan hjælpe ... hvad med ved at udføre dit arbejde? Hvad med ved at true dem med, at der er konsekvenser af deres handlinger? Hvad med ved ikke at ignorere fakta og holde op med at fokusere på at give offeret skylden.
" Måske kun takket være min tidligere tilgang kunne vi have opnået noget her, hvis du ikke havde fortsat med den måde at kommunikere på, der involverer udtryk som "svindel, tyveri, tyveri..." - igen." Det lyder som om, du leder efter et stort skulderklap her... haha. Siger du, at hvis casinoet ikke kan lide at blive kaldt en tyv, så kan de gøre, hvad de vil ? Siger du, at der ikke er nogen konsekvenser, hvis deres følelser bliver såret ? Siger du, at de er berettigede til ikke at udbetale mig mine gevinster, hvis de fejlagtigt krediterer mig $1000, som jeg ikke bruger ? Besvar venligst disse spørgsmål.
" Kan du venligst fortælle mig, hvordan du forestiller dig, at vi kan hjælpe dig yderligere med at løse dit problem? " Ved at udføre dit arbejde og lade dem vide, at hvis de ikke giver mig pengene, vil du sænke deres sikkerhedsindeks, ved at fortælle dem, at du vil sætte en ansvarsfraskrivelse på din hjemmeside, der angiver, at de ikke overholder reglerne, og at du vil sætte en ansvarsfraskrivelse på hjemmesiden, der fortæller andre spillere, at de har urimelig praksis. Der er mange måder, hvorpå de kan blive tvunget til at gøre de rigtige ting eller mærke konsekvenserne. Det er bekymrende, at du spørger mig, hvordan du bør udføre dit arbejde.
Jeg har givet dig alt, hvad du behøver for at se, at de har stjålet fra mig. Holdningen bør være at SIGTE til dem, at de skal give mig mine penge, ellers vil der være konsekvenser.
Men i stedet har du indtil videre kun fokuseret på, hvor fantastisk du er til at få dem til at tale med os, og hvor forfærdelig jeg er, fordi jeg kalder dem for det, de er.
Jeg har stillet mange spørgsmål i dette svar og sidst. Kan du venligst ikke overse dem og besvare hvert eneste spørgsmål? Jeg har sat spørgsmålstegnene med fed skrift for din bekvemmelighed.
Hvis du tror, at jeg ikke har taget billeder og ikke vil afsløre dine reaktioner på offerbebrejdelse, så tager du fejl. Du har fuldstændig mistet synet på problemet.
I det øjeblik tælleren rammer nul, ikke dage efter nullet, som det har været i dine tidligere svar, og jeg ikke har et andet svar fra dig, vil jeg sende denne klage til dine overordnede og andre steder. Denne opførsel fra din side er forfærdelig.
Med venlig hilsen,
Christopher C******
I still can't believe what I am reading from you and your stance so far on this case. You have glossed over clear theft and focusing on me calling the site out after they have literally stole my money?? Really??
I have given you all of the information, all of the proof, all of the terms and conditions that they have broken, all of the terms and conditions that state what should be done in this case, and instead of even addressing or commenting on this information you are focused on me using certain words?? Words that are not expletive, but are just descriptive english language words that describe perfectly what has happened.
You mention that you are happy that they are even willing to talk to us about this issue??? Is that the stance that you have taken? That although a company has clearly done something wrong that we need them to be happy to do anything? Do you think police just ask nicely for burglers to return money and if they don't or if their feelings are hurt they let them keep what they stole?
Again you asked how you think you can still help... how about by doing your job. How about by threatening them that there are repercussions to their actions. How about by not ignoring the facts and stop focusing on victim blaming.
"Maybe only thanks to my previous approach, we could have achieved something here if you had not continued with the way of communication involving expressions such as "scam, stealing, theft..." - again.". It sounds like you are searching for a big pat on the back here.. haha. Are you stating that if the casino doesn't like being called a thief that they can do whatever they want?? Are you saying that there are no repercussions if their feelings are hurt? Are you saying that they are justified to not pay me my winnings if they mistakenly credit me $1000 that I don't use?? Please answer these questions.
" Can you please let me know how, after all, you imagine we can further help you in resolving your issue?" by doing your job and letting them know that if they don't give me the money you will lower their safety index, by telling them that you will put a disclaimer on your site stating that they don't abide by rulings, that you will put a disclaimer on the site telling other players that they have unfair practices. There are many ways that they can be forced to do the right things or feel the repercussions. It's concerning that you are asking me how you should do your job.
I have given you everything that you need to see that they have stolen from me. The stance should be to TELL them to give me my money or there will be repercussions.
But instead, so far you are only focused on how amazing you are on getting them to talk to us, and how horrible I am for calling them out as what they are.
I have asked many questions in this response and last. Can you please not gloss over them and answer every single question. I have put the question marks in bold for your convenience.
If you think that I have not taken pictures and will not expose your responses of victim blaming then you are wrong. You have completely lost sight of the issue at hand.
The moment the counter hits zero, not days after the zero as it has been in your past responses, and I don't have a different type of response from you I will be emailing this complaint to your superiors and other sites. This behaviour on your part is appalling.
Dette er casinoets udtalelse fra deres første indlæg, selv før jeg inviterede dem til tråden og bad om flere detaljer.
" Bemærk venligst, at denne beslutning er endelig og ikke vil blive genovervejet. Hvis du har brug for yderligere oplysninger vedrørende refusionsprocessen, bedes du kontakte vores supportteam. "
Jeg tror oprigtigt, at du allerede forstår, hvorfor der er behov for passende sprogbrug over for casinoet og casino.guru-medarbejderne.
Kære Weiss Casino-team ,
Kun ét spørgsmål til dig.
Er du venligst ok med at gøre denne tråd helt offentlig (uden at afsløre følsomme oplysninger)? Jeg spørger primært på grund af klagerens indlæg og udtalelser.
Ud fra tidligere indlæg tror jeg, du forstår, hvor det går hen.
Tak.
Dear Christopher,
This is the casino's statement from its first post, even before I invited them to the thread and asked for more details.
"Please note that this decision is final and will not be reconsidered. If you require further information regarding the refund process, please contact our support team."
I sincerely believe you already understand why appropriate language toward the casino and casino.guru employees are needed.
Dear Weiss Casino Team,
Only one question for you.
Are you please OK with making this thread fully public (without disclosing sensitive information)? I am asking mainly due to the complainant's posts and statements.
Based on previous posts above, I believe you understand where this is going.
Så fordi de sagde, at det var endeligt, er du ikke villig til at disciplinere dem ved at justere deres sikkerhedsindeks, selvom det er tydeligt for alle, at de har stjålet fra mig?
Spørger du seriøst casinoet, om det er okay, hvis en klage må offentliggøres? Haha
Hold øje med e-mailen.
So, because they said it was final you are unwilling to discipline them by adjusting there safety index even though it is clear to everyone they have stolen from me?
Are you seriously asking the casino if it's ok if a complaint is allowed to go public? Haha
Vi sætter pris på den omhyggelige opmærksomhed, der er blevet vist denne sag.
Som en transparent platform, der er forpligtet til ansvarlig praksis, støtter WEISS fuldt ud Casino Gurus initiativ.
Vi har ingen indvendinger mod at offentliggøre denne korrespondance, forudsat at eventuelle følsomme eller fortrolige oplysninger tilbageholdes på passende vis.
Med venlig hilsen,
WEISS-holdet
Dear Branislav,
We appreciate the diligent attention given to this matter.
As a transparent platform committed to responsible practices, WEISS fully supports Casino Guru’s initiative.
We have no objection to making this correspondence public, provided that any sensitive or confidential information is appropriately withheld.
Mange tak, WEISS Team , for jeres bekræftelse og endelig for jeres hjælp og samarbejde med at løse sagen.
Kære Kristoffer ,
Selvom det ville have været nemmere at afslutte dette i én sætning, besluttede jeg at give en forklaring i flere punkter, der præciserer årsagerne bag min endelige beslutning vedrørende sagen. Derudover gennemgik jeg hele tråden meget omhyggeligt og gjorde den fuldstændig offentlig (uden følsomme detaljer/skærmbilleder, der afslører dine personlige data), så du nemt kan dele linket til klagen med alle, du ønsker, i stedet for at spamme dem med mere end 20 skærmbilleder af vores opslag, som jeg kunne have set i dine e-mails adresseret til alle mine kolleger og/eller overordnede, hvis e-mailadresser du fandt et sted på vores hjemmeside. Det vil forenkle dine videre handlinger, og tilfældige læsere vil også kunne danne sig et komplet billede af processen efter at have læst alle opslagene og forklaringen nedenfor. Jeg vil også forsøge at besvare alle dine spørgsmål.
Hvis casino.guru havde beskyttet casinoer, som du anførte i dine ubegrundede e-mails, ville denne tråd være blevet lukket/afvist for længe siden; du er velkommen til at søge efter mange sager, der er lukket som 'uløste', hvor casinoer har fremragende sikkerhedsindekser, hvilket bekræfter præcis det modsatte.
Tidligere besluttede jeg at skjule tråden, fordi casinoet nævnte dit svar med beskyldninger og udtalelser, der i væsentlig grad påvirkede og i bund og grund afsluttede deres undersøgelse for tidligt (nu er det tydeligt, at de primært mente din e-mail), hvilket førte til en fuld refusion af dine indbetalinger og permanent lukning af kontoen. Derudover, som jeg nævnte, udtalte casinoet, at dets beslutning er endelig og ikke vil blive genovervejet, og henviste senere også til en regel i sine vilkår og betingelser om, at casinoet kan stoppe kommunikationen helt med en spiller under de givne omstændigheder. Under alle omstændigheder besluttede de at samarbejde, give os alle de nødvendige oplysninger og refundere dine indbetalinger fuldt ud.
Du informerede casinoet om tilbagebetalingen af alle indbetalinger, du har foretaget til casinoet, hvilket du også fuldt ud bekræftede med et af dine skærmbilleder; det var ikke formuleret på en måde, der viste, at du kun overvejede det, som du forsøgte at forklare, men snarere som information, at du allerede havde taget de nødvendige skridt til at starte processen; hvis jeg havde været klar over dette tidligere, ville jeg slet ikke have skjult tråden før, fordi formålet med at gøre det kun var at starte diskussionen fra begyndelsen, uden upassende sprog og krænkende kommunikationsmåde (fra din side), for at forsikre casinoet om, at vi kan diskutere og gennemgå sagen sammen professionelt, roligt og høfligt - dette synes at være umuligt, og du undlod at efterkomme min anmodning om yderligere kommunikation.
Fra det øjeblik du informerede casinoet om chargebacks, vel vidende om mulige konsekvenser i henhold til indholdet af din e-mail adresseret til casinoet, var du ikke længere et offer i denne sag, og du bestemte stort set selv dine gevinster.
Enten at du har givet vildledende oplysninger under klagebehandlingsprocessen, eller at du ikke har forstået casinoets anmodning og kunne samarbejde med casinoet om at løse sagen -> du hævdede, at du havde givet alt, hvad de bad dig om; casinoet bad dig dog (før deres endelige beslutning blev truffet) om en original detaljeret kontoudtog/transaktionsbekræftelse (måske ville en bekræftelse fra din bank/betalingsudbyder have været tilstrækkelig) af den pågældende indbetaling, men du gav dem kun din bankkontos transaktionshistorik, hvorfra det var umuligt at finde de nødvendige oplysninger/detaljer - senere bekræftede du, at den pågældende indbetaling ikke blev trukket fra din betalingsmetode; oplysninger om indbetalingerne og adgang til kontoen.
Casinoet havde ikke mulighed for at bekræfte med sikkerhed, at du ikke gjorde det med vilje eller med vilje, fordi det er meget vanskeligt at finde ud af, om du var fuldt ud klar over situationen eller ej - der er mange svindlere på online casinoer, der bruger systemfejl til at opnå en urimelig fordel i forhold til casinoer, misbruger deres systemer/software, og casinoer er nødt til at verificere alt for at være sikre på, at du fortalte dem sandheden; de anmodede om et mere detaljeret dokument, du undlod at fremlægge det.
Vi er glade og taknemmelige, hvis vi kan hjælpe spillere, der bliver behandlet uretfærdigt eller udnyttet af uærlige casinoer. Men som jeg nævnte, har det ikke længere været tilfældet her siden det øjeblik, du informerede casinoet om chargebacks.
Selvom vi hjælper brugere med at løse deres problemer under specifikke omstændigheder, kræver vi også passende behandling; vi er ikke forpligtet til at acceptere klagernes fornærmelser og upassende sprog eller kommunikationsmåde; Jeg anbefaler kraftigt, at du tjekker vores brugsbetingelser, som du accepterede ved registrering på casino.guru og/eller indsendelse af din klage, især punkt 2.4. og afsnit 3. og 4.
Jeg var tålmodig og tolererede dine udtalelser, selv efter min første advarsel, hvor jeg allerede kunne have lukket sagen, men jeg besluttede at fortsætte alligevel. Du var ikke i stand til at fortsætte diskussionen på en normal og høflig måde, og begyndte med fornærmende sprog rettet mod mig/casino.guru og vores procedurer, da den endelige beslutning blev truffet - se venligst dine sidste 2 omfattende indlæg ovenfor.
Din sidste sætning i denne tråd og spam sendt via e-mail til mine kolleger/overordnede, trusler, mens klagen stadig var åben - den endelige afgørelse blev bekræftet.
Du traf grundlæggende selv beslutningerne på casinoets og casino.gurus side -> informerede casinoet om chargebacks og truede under deres undersøgelse, som ikke var afsluttet på det tidspunkt endnu, og dybest set gjorde du det efter du indsendte denne klage, hvilket forårsagede en fejl i processen; din måde at kommunikere på og krænkende sprogbrug over for involverede parter, på trods af advarsler.
Baseret på ovenstående afslutter/afviser vi denne sag uden mulighed for at genåbne den. Vi forstår og accepterer fuldt ud casinoets beslutning. Det omstridte beløb er blevet opdateret i overensstemmelse hermed - forskellen mellem det oprindeligt omstridte beløb (minus den fejlagtigt krediterede indbetaling) og de succesfuldt refunderede indbetalinger, som du bekræftede.
Hvis du ikke er tilfreds med klageløsningen, kan jeg ikke anbefale, hvordan du går videre, da casinoet har en licens fra en regulator, som i øjeblikket ikke accepterer klager fra spillere.
Jeg ønsker dig held og lykke med at løse dit problem.
Med venlig hilsen,
Branislav, Casino.Guru
Thank you very much, WEISS Team, for your confirmation and, after all, for your help and cooperation in resolving the matter.
Dear Christopher,
Although it would have been easier to end this in one sentence, I decided to provide an explanation in several points, clarifying the reasons behind my final decision regarding the case. In addition, I went through the whole thread very carefully and made it completely public (without sensitive details/screenshots disclosing your personal data) so you can easily share the link to the complaint with anyone you would like to, instead of spamming them with more than 20 screenshots of our posts, as I could have seen in your emails addressed to all my colleagues and/or superiors whose email addresses you found somewhere on our website. It will simplify your further actions, and random readers will also be able to make a complete picture of the process after reading all the posts and the explanation below. I will also try to answer all your questions.
If casino.guru protected casinos, as you stated in your unfounded emails, this thread would have been closed/rejected a long ago; feel free to search for many cases closed as 'unresolved' with casinos having great safety indexes, which confirms exactly the opposite
Earlier, I decided to hide the thread because the casino mentioned your response with accusations and statements that significantly influenced and basically ended their investigation prematurely (now it is clear that they meant mainly your email), leading to a full refund of your deposits and the permanent closure of the account; in addition, as I mentioned, the casino stated that its decision is final and will not be reconsidered, later referring also to a rule in its Terms and Conditions the casino can stop communication completely with a player under the given circumstances; anyway, they decided to cooperate, provide us with all the necessary details, and to refund your deposits in full
You informed the casino about the chargeback of all deposits you made to the casino, which you also fully confirmed by one of your screenshots; it was not worded in a way that you were only considering it, as you tried to explain, but rather as the information you already took the necessary steps to start the process; if I was aware of this earlier, I would not have hid the thread at all before, because the purpose of doing it was only to start the discussion from the beginning, without inappropriate language and abusive way of communication (on your side), to assure the casino we can discuss and review the matter together professionally, calmly, politely - this seems to be impossible, and you failed to comply with my request regarding further communication
Since the moment you informed the casino about chargebacks, knowing about possible consequences according to the content of your email addressed to the casino, you were no longer a victim in this case, and you basically decided about your winnings yourself
Either providing misleading information during the complaint resolution process, or your inability to understand the casino's request and cooperate with the casino to resolve the matter -> you claimed you provided everything they asked you for; however, the casino (before their final decision was made) asked you for an original detailed bank statement/transaction confirmation (maybe a confirmation from your bank/payment provider would have been sufficient) of the deposit in question, but you provided them only with your bank account transaction history, from which it was impossible to find the necessary information/details out - later, you confirmed that the deposit in question was not deducted from your payment method; information about the deposits and account accessibility
The casino did not have an option to confirm for sure you did not do it intentionally or on purpose, because it is very difficult to find out whether you were fully ware of the situation or not - there are many fraudsters in online casinos, using system deficiencies to gain an unfair advantage over casinos, abusing their systems/software, and casinos have to verify everything to be sure you told them the truth; they requested a more detailed document, you failed to provide it
We are happy and glad if we can help players who are treated unfairly or exploited by dishonest casinos; however, as I mentioned, since the moment you informed the casino about chargebacks, it was not the case here anymore
Although we help users resolve their issues under specific circumstances, we also require appropriate treatment; we are not obliged to accept the complainants' insults and inappropriate language or manner of communication; I strongly recommend you check our Terms of Use you accepted upon registration on casino.guru and/or submitting your complaint, especially point 2.4. and sections 3. and 4.
I was patient and tolerated your statements even after my first warning, when I could have already closed the case, but I decided to proceed anyway; you were unable to continue the discussion in a normal and polite way, starting with abusive language directed also to me/casino.guru and our procedures, when the final decision was made - please see your last 2 extensive posts above
Your last sentence in this thread and spam sent via email to my colleagues/superiors, threats, while the complaint was still open - the final decision was confirmed
You basically decided on the decisions on the casino's side and casino.guru's side yourself -> informing the casino about chargebacks and threatening during their investigation, which was not finished at that point yet, and basically you did it after you submitted this complaint, causing a failure of the process; your way of communication and abusive language toward involved parties, despite warnings
Based on all the above stated, we are closing/rejecting this case without the option to reopen it. We fully understand and accept the casino's decision. The disputed amount was updated accordingly - the difference between the original disputed amount (minus the mistakenly credited deposit) and the successfully refunded deposits, as you confirmed.
If you are not satisfied with the complaint solution, I am unable to recommend steps for how to take it further, because the casino holds a license from a regulator which currently does not accept complaints from players.
I wish you good luck in resolving your issue.
Best regards,
Branislav, Casino.Guru
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