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The fairy tale you call streamers (side 2)

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ChanMIB
1 år siden

Many times when I go well in a slot I suddenly disconnect from it, when I connect again the result is disastrous, also some times they force me to give up completely blocking the entrance to it, is all this RANDOM?

kurt03
1 år siden

I have been lucky enough to go to a casino where all the reviews were negative and I have seen the complete opposite, I mean... fast payments, good behavior of the providers and generally everything is good, this makes me think about the evaluations


giannis400
1 år siden

No, it's not normal. Facing same issue. Asking to relog-in again, after that the result is really bad as well. They said network unstable but I don't buy it. When you see the map or the spin got a bit laggy on certain nominations, just give up and stop playing. The lagging is like the actual map has been replaced, or you can see the additional symbol come in on 6th row, its like a bug but all these appear is not a good sign.

1 år siden

I believe that there is an information system among the providers about the winnings, deposits and losses of each player based on the personal data that he plays in all the casinos. That's why whenever you get a big win in some benefit then in any benefit and you go after 95% you won't win anything. Many years we see streamers have wins X1000 to 5000 with stakes of $500 or $1000 and profit up to 15 million euros in a spin donation session, the strange thing is that within 5 days they can have 2 or 3 such wins in the same provider, thing which I have not met here and for many years I have been playing with ridiculous stakes of €0.5 or €1, is this also a coincidence?. You understand that streamers collect customers for casinos and that their winnings for me are 100% questionable. The provider "pracmatic play" is the provider that has personally ruined me for the last 5 years, the last year I stopped working with him. Also, I have played in many casinos for large amounts with the participation of almost all casino providers, the results were zero, I believe that it was not the fault of the authenticity of the providers, but the dark agreements between the authentic providers and the casinos. So I believe that it is not only the role of the providers that is dark, but also the casinos in cooperation with the providers in some cases. I close by saying that the most indisputable example of fraud to us sick slot machine gamblers is zero wins after a big win no matter how hard we try, their purpose is to keep us constantly losing as much money as they have won from us in the past.

ChanMIB
1 år siden

Very often this happens, the spin is late, at that moment they put you in a quick game, when the spin is late you may notice that you never get a profit in that spin. When we put an evaluation here for a casino that encounters this thing, they cut our evaluation because they say that we complain, when we talk about zero profits due to such tricks, they tell us that we are losing, we take revenge on the casinos and they reject the evaluations, logically we cannot protect the other players because the site does not want.

giannis400
1 år siden

I don't know how streamers collect the info such as their current win/loss. My advise is don't follow them. The slot always lure you to bigger bet. Example when you deposit $1,000 and you played $1/ Spin all the way until you left around $100, and you start bet $2 or $5 because sometime you know you need to chase the loss. Fortunate during the last 2 to 3 hand, the "Revive hit" occur. and you may get back all your losses. This is the example to lure to bet bigger and better chance. The steamer also playing same method, they keep bet bigger. and always got better chance.

Regarding the RTP on the casino, I believe they are sharing the same pool. Example, player A win $10K, and player B account will be very tight and vice versa. Sometime the casino will ask some junket to play for fun and hope they win big money (They won't pay the junket but maybe only the turnover commission) so when the junket is playing, the server close for player to login and after they finish if they won a lot money and the real player coming in, they will start facing very very tight machine.

Many casino or online explainer said it's all about luck. Trust me, it's not I played for few years, I learn the map such as "almost hit" lure, revive lure, turbo play lure and so on. Sometime the slot is very tight, it will no payout and continue lose for 50 spins and which is not normal. It's not random.

You are right, after a max win, you are unlikely will get a big win another time. i got a 4000x win before and the whole night I keep lost no matter how I played. If you got a max win, you need to quit gamble.


1 år siden

friend there is no luck at all, everything is guided and methodical, they make fun of us until it doesn't go

1 år siden

I never have max win before but I like 4500X win. The game is Gate of Olympus by pragmatic, and the multiple already add up till 1000X, still no yet max win. After that, which ever game I play, I will keep losing, no matter which game I tried, no matter how big or small I played it's negative. I always believe it's not random. However, you will have a chance to win Max win, just go for those low risk game.

High risk game such as "Mightly of Ra", "pyramid bonanza", "Sugar Rush" and so on reel Kingdom is a high risk game also. So, I believe the casino can has the function to control the payout. when I won a lot, ofcoz I tried to withdraw the fund. They allow me to withdraw the fund, but my account seem like been reset or something like that. I been force to logout, and when I play always suddenly disconnected. Something wrong and I keep losing.

My 3 years experience, when you win. just stop play. Don't waste time for entertainment. It's gambling. It's not slotomania and it will affect your emotion.

1 år siden

Is it a legit licensed site? The game could be pirated.

giannis400
1 år siden

I wouldnt bother with streamers, they play all day and then only share clips of the big wins. Their PNL doesnt matter either, bcos theyre playing with house money. They usually just get paid a fixed amount per hour (a big fixed amount), or they get money from signups.

germanryan70
1 år siden

Legit, Pragmatic Play games.

germanryan70
1 år siden

One very simple theory, if a streamer play everyday. He can be either extremely rich or the casino owner. An addicted gambler won't "survive" after a year of non stop gambling. After a year, this addicted player will only bet very small amount and hope to hit jackpot. he or she won't cont bet bigger and bigger otherwise the casino will closed down if he success to keep win money. A buy bonus with $10k a spin and the result will out in 20 seconds? A normal result will be $100 x 10 which is $1k for a normal bonus buy result and sometime you will get $0 for some games. And all those big win result (very big payout) like 3000x or nearly 5000x which we saw in streamer video? They may already bonus for for 40x or more (please don't chase lose) if you lose in bonus buy. I ever bonus buy $1000 to $2000 per bonus buy and the whole night I lost $60,000. Imagine the streamer bonus buy $10K....he may already lost $500k and he post a video with x4000 result and scream like very lucky....Yes, you are right, they only post 1 positive video but hide 100 negative videos and definitely the money they bet is not their own money. Xposed did accidentally told in the video that the Casino didn't give them credit to play so that's why I'm very sure that this is not their own money to play.

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ChanMIB
1 år siden

I do not rule out that this is their own money for the game, but you are right, firstly, we do not know how much they lose behind the scenes, and secondly, we do not know what kind of agreements they have with the casino.

1 år siden

ChanMIB .. a simple example, I have never won X 1000 in close time intervals, from this it seems that everything is to collect customers, also I have never managed to win more than X 2000 and I have been playing for over 10 years with an average of €400 per month


giannis400
1 år siden

Hey there.

If you don't mind, try to use the reply button to keep in touch with fellow players. 😉 Reply means notification.

As for streamers, it is vital to check their balance at the beginning and at the end of each stream, that will give you some clues, add a high stakes bets, and occasional expensive "bonus buy" and you must realize there is no way to compare those numbers to yours €400 per month.

They are in a different league. Wouldn't you agree? 🙂

giannis400
1 år siden

Is good that you never win 2000x more before. at first, my betting is like $1000 per month, after lost and revive. Hit Grand in 2 months with different dominations. After that you wont feel excite if win more than 5000x or max win. After I notice that it's not random and feel cheated, all these is just matter of time when I'm going to stop. Keep on play, you will lose all money. I heard that now they're using AI for RNG, it worst and will let you keep playing until you can't recall how much money you lost.

ChanMIB
1 år siden

Hi!

Care to explain how should this AI in Random Number Generator seem to work? According to what you heard.

I especially crave to understand this part: "and will let you keep playing until you can't recall how much money you lost."



Radka
1 år siden

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I don't know how it work, but I played their slot it's hard to win big. You will easy to hit bonus, but the bonus payout is bad. This AI is to counter the bonus hunter who keep their bonus to skip the turnover count. So....you can't predict the map. Whichever domination you play won't affect the payout. But again, you very hard to win big and it's no longer depending on luck.

ChanMIB
1 år siden

Oh, I see now! As far as I can say, this is rather new. Thanks for the printscreen, now I know the exact concern you probably have in mind.

You know what, I will ask our game specialist Juraj whether he is able to provide more details on the subject. Frankly, for us, he's on the way to some conference or summit and it might take some time for him to respond.

But, I'll try!


1 år siden

Sometimes the game you are playing is in a fake provider, some casinos have some fake providers in there, if you go in to play there, get lost, it is a trap to empty your account. Also, the most important thing is that if you win X1000 with a good bet, for example €1, in whichever casino or provider you go, the winnings disappear and even if you have lost in the other casino where you will enter a lot of money in the previous days, what counts is what you will win in one casino for all casinos.

giannis400
1 år siden

Hi there! Can you spot a fake game before you start playing? I mean such an opinion should offer a piece of advice, what do you say?

I must say that amount won in one casino will not influence your chances in another - if this is what you suggested. A random number generator prevents that. If I may add I would play official games from licensed game providers, playing games developed and provided by the casino isn't my cup of tea 🙂.

I'm not perfectly sure how the streamers fit in, though.

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