Spiludbydere og betalingsudbydere: værdier, etik, moral?

Der er mange casinoer, der svindler. Jeg forstår bare ikke, hvorfor spiludbydere giver spil til casinoer for at muliggøre finansiering? Endnu mere forbløffende er betalingsudbyderne.... Hvorfor tillader de indbetalinger at svindle casinoer.....etik og moral er som en streg i vandet mellem spiludbydere og betalingsudbydere.....?

Hmm, good question. If we’re really talking about scam casinos, they usually have fake games, so game providers probably have nothing to do with it. As for payment processors, though, I’m not really sure what’s going on there. Whether it’s really just business, or whether payment processors don’t really care who they provide services to but the casino basically just buys that service, I have no idea.

But it’s definitely something to think about, and I believe it shouldn’t work that way, but then again, that would be in an ideal world. 

"Falske spil".....svindleren i det falske casinospil oplister dog navnene på spiludbyderne...oftest Pragmatic. Accepterer Pragmatic, at deres brand bliver brugt til at finansiere og endda med falske spil? Banker/betalingsformidlere bør have socialt ansvar og værdier og ikke give kriminelle mulighed for at operere.

You're right counterfeit games are disguised as legitimate providers, most often Pragmatic. But Pragmatic itself is unlikely to fight this legally it's complicated and unprofitable.

I guess you agree with what Jaro described.

I just wanted to add that there has been kind of an intriguing pattern for spotting fake games in scam casinos. Just to narrow the subject: players tend to use the term "scam" to describe any possibly negative user experience, which extremely messes up the context.

Real scam casinos never intend to pay any money; instead, they offer completely insane freebies with no or low limitations and rigged games set to extremely high RTP, so each player almost effortlessly wins big. Afterwards, when the player believes he is about to receive the payment, scams start collecting fees to actually process the payouts. That's the pure scammy setup.

So, as far as I can add, the "real fake games" one can come around most often these days, are to be recognized by the fact that one wins a lot in, let's say, a few minutes. 😀

So, if the games are pirated in some way, in my opinion, Pragmatic or any other game provider distances itself from that and claims it has nothing to do with it. The fact that a scam site happens to use their games isn’t something they can control. And since these are well-known games, that’s probably why scam casinos often use them.

Of course, when it comes to payment intermediaries, I’d really like to know how things actually work there. I’m of the view that if someone pays for it, these entities don’t care who they’re offering their services to. But I can’t confirm whether that’s actually the case.

Hi Koppari,

I have to ask first, did something happen again or did you have another bad experience recently? It feels like we are coming back to the same topic we have discussed a few times already.

I understand why this makes you upset. There really are bad casinos and scam operators out there, and nobody likes the idea of players being treated unfairly. I do understand where your frustration is coming from.

At the same time, let's be careful not to put all responsibility on game providers, payment processors, or banks in every situation. A casino showing a provider’s games or brand does not automatically mean the provider supports everything that casino does. Sometimes brands are misused, sometimes problems are discovered later, and sometimes things are simply more complicated than they look from the outside.

We also talked before about how things in Finland seem to be moving in a better direction, especially when it comes to banks being more careful around gambling transactions and player protection. That feels like a positive step to me. So, what's the matter now, if you don't mind?

Radka.....forsøg ikke at "skjule emnet". Det overordnede ansvar ligger hos 1. Spiludbydere 2. Betalingsformidlere. Begge skal være interesserede, når svindlere udnytter og laver "forretning".

Dear Koppari,

I honestly thought you were the one who constantly changed the subjects once we compared those general opinions with more structural and less emotional realities. About a month ago, we discussed the same topic regarding how everyone else is responsible for the negative aspects of the industry. And here you are back with the same subject and the same ideas, just a new thread and game providers added. Don't you think?

You have been with us for years; do you truly think that when you say "Overall responsibility lies with 1. Game providers 2. Payment intermediaries," Both must be interested when scammers exploit and make "business"? Is it constructive enough to respond after everything we have been through together? 🙂

Imagine that those cooperations are secured through legal agreements; there is no overall responsibility for hunting scammers; it is simply a matter of having a legal contract or not.

Do you remember the last time when you accused the payment providers of supporting fraud and illegal casinos? Do you remember the example with the baker and the truck delivery driver?

It's basically still the same conversation, so I'm asking, what has happened this time?"

And please do not switch the thread again; it's not necessary; we're just talking. 🙌

Ja ... jeg kan huske, da du sagde, at du "jagtede" bagere. Dine kommentarer er sandelig specielle. Der er rådne æbler i casinobranchen, som en guru kunne tage op ... men ud fra flere af dine kommentarer kan man se en afvigelse fra emnet. Hvad gør det muligt for svigagtige casinoer at operere. 1. SPILUDBYDERE. 2. BETALINGSFORMELLEM.

Well, there is not much to add when the viewpoint is so general. But I'm glad you are here with us and will always enjoy talking to you.

It’s naive to expect ethics here. Just look at crypto processors they literally exist to help players bypass country restrictions and banks. They don't care about morals, they care about volume. Same goes for the game providers who sell their slots to unlicensed casinos. At the end of the day, cash is king, and everyone just wants their slice of the pie