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Kære jolle33,
Jeg har gennemgået din seneste forklaring og de punkter, du har rejst vedrørende Apples iCloud Private Relay, placeringsoplysningerne vist i IPQualityScore-rapporten, den gentagne brug af det samme IP-interval under din tidligere aktivitet og det faktum, at VPN/proxy-detektionen først blev relevant, da du anmodede om en udbetaling.
På nuværende tidspunkt anser jeg din forklaring for rimelig, og jeg mener, at disse punkter skal behandles ordentligt af casinoet, før jeg kan drage en konklusion.
Især er det vigtigt at skelne mellem bevidst at bruge en VPN til at skjule sin placering og en forbindelse, der sendes via Apples Private Relay-tjeneste. Jeg vil derfor bede casinoet om at gennemgå spillerens forklaring omhyggeligt og give et specifikt svar på hvert af de ovennævnte punkter.
Kære Vauhdikas Casino,
Jeg forstår, at du har opnået ensartede resultater fra flere VPN/proxy-detektionsværktøjer. Jeg vil dog gerne have, at du adresserer de faktiske omstændigheder i denne sag i stedet for blot at bekræfte, at forbindelsen teknisk set blev identificeret som VPN/proxy-trafik.
Spilleren har givet en rimelig forklaring på, at forbindelsen var via Apples iCloud Private Relay, og at han fysisk befandt sig i Finland. Han påpeger også, at den relevante tekniske rapport selv identificerede Finland, Helsinki og Uusimaa som placeringen, og at det samme IP-interval tilsyneladende er blevet brugt gentagne gange under tidligere spil før udbetalingsanmodningen.
Kan du venligst gennemgå disse punkter og forklare, om de stemmer overens med de oplysninger, du har til rådighed?
Endnu vigtigere vil jeg gerne have, at du præciserer, hvilken forbudt aktivitet du mener, spilleren har begået.
Selv hvis vi for argumentets skyld antager, at spilleren faktisk tilgik casinoet via en VPN eller proxy, mener jeg ikke, at den kendsgerning alene er tilstrækkelig til at forklare, hvorfor spillerens gevinster automatisk bør konfiskeres.
For eksempel:
- Forsøgte spilleren at omgå en geografisk begrænsning?
- Var spilleren fysisk placeret i en jurisdiktion, hvorfra casinoet ikke accepterer spillere?
- Gav forbindelsen spilleren adgang til spil eller tjenester, der ellers ikke var tilgængelige for dem?
- Modtog spilleren en bonus eller forfremmelse, som de ikke var berettiget til at modtage?
- Opnåede spilleren nogen anden fordel som følge af at bruge forbindelsen?
- Var der nogen indikation af, at spilleren forsøgte at skjule sin faktiske placering eller på anden måde misbruge casinoets systemer?
Med andre ord, hvad præcist opnåede eller forsøgte spilleren at omgå ved at bruge denne forbindelse?
Jeg spørger om dette, fordi den blotte tekniske klassificering af en forbindelse som VPN/proxy-trafik ikke nødvendigvis fastslår, at spilleren bevidst har forsøgt at misbruge casinoet eller opnå en urimelig fordel. Privatlivsrelaterede routingtjenester er også blevet mere og mere almindelige, især på moderne Apple-enheder, og jeg mener, at omstændighederne og den faktiske effekt af forbindelsen skal tages i betragtning.
Hvis casinoets holdning er, at den blotte brug af en VPN/proxy-forbindelse er tilstrækkelig til at retfærdiggøre konfiskation uanset spillerens faktiske placering, hensigt, om eventuelle begrænsninger blev omgået, eller om der blev opnået nogen fordel, bedes du angive dette tydeligt og forklare, hvordan du anser en sådan anvendelse af reglen for forholdsmæssig under disse omstændigheder.
Jeg ville også sætte pris på dine kommentarer til spillerens pointe om, at det samme IP-interval tilsyneladende blev brugt gentagne gange under tidligere spil, uden at kontoen blev begrænset eller spilleren blev advaret, mens problemet kun blev håndteret, da der blev anmodet om en udbetaling.
Gennemgå venligst spillerens seneste udtalelse i sin helhed og giv et punkt-for-punkt svar, især vedrørende forbindelsens art, spillerens faktiske placering, den gentagne tidligere brug af den samme forbindelse, og hvilken specifik fordel eller begrænsning spilleren angiveligt har omgået.
Tak til jer begge for jeres samarbejde.
Hello everyone,
thank you for the updates.
Dear jolle33,
I have reviewed your latest explanation and the points you have raised regarding Apple's iCloud Private Relay, the location information shown in the IPQualityScore report, the repeated use of the same IP range during your previous activity, and the fact that the VPN/proxy detection only became relevant when you requested a withdrawal.
At this stage, I consider your explanation reasonable and I believe these points need to be properly addressed by the casino before I can reach a conclusion.
In particular, the distinction between deliberately using a VPN to conceal one's location and a connection being routed through Apple's Private Relay service is important. I would therefore ask the casino to review the player's explanation carefully and provide a specific response to each of the points raised above.
Dear Vauhdikas Casino,
I understand that you have obtained consistent results from multiple VPN/proxy detection tools. However, I would like you to address the actual circumstances of this case rather than simply confirming that the connection was technically identified as VPN/proxy traffic.
The player has provided a reasonable explanation that the connection was through Apple's iCloud Private Relay and that he was physically located in Finland. He also points out that the relevant technical report itself identified Finland, Helsinki and Uusimaa as the location, and that the same IP range appears to have been used repeatedly during previous gameplay before the withdrawal request.
Could you please review these points and explain whether they are consistent with the information available to you?
More importantly, I would like you to clarify what actual prohibited activity you believe the player committed.
Even assuming, for the sake of argument, that the player did access the casino through a VPN or proxy, I do not think that fact alone sufficiently explains why the player's winnings should automatically be confiscated.
For example:
- Was the player attempting to circumvent a geographical restriction?
- Was the player physically located in a jurisdiction from which the casino does not accept players?
- Did the connection allow the player to access games or services that were otherwise unavailable to them?
- Did the player obtain a bonus or promotion that they were not entitled to receive?
- Did the player gain any other advantage as a result of using the connection?
- Was there any indication that the player was attempting to conceal their actual location or otherwise abuse the casino's systems?
In other words, what exactly did the player gain or attempt to circumvent by using this connection?
I am asking this because the mere technical classification of a connection as VPN/proxy traffic does not necessarily establish that the player intentionally attempted to abuse the casino or obtain an unfair advantage. Privacy-related routing services have also become increasingly common, particularly on modern Apple devices, and I believe the circumstances and actual effect of the connection need to be considered.
If the casino's position is that the mere use of any VPN/proxy connection is sufficient to justify confiscation regardless of the player's actual location, intent, whether any restriction was circumvented, or whether any advantage was obtained, please state this clearly and explain how you consider such an application of the rule proportionate in these circumstances.
I would also appreciate your comments on the player's point that the same IP range was apparently used repeatedly during previous gameplay without the account being restricted or the player being warned, while the issue was only acted upon when a withdrawal was requested.
Please review the player's latest statement in full and provide a point-by-point response, particularly regarding the nature of the connection, the player's actual location, the repeated previous use of the same connection, and what specific advantage or restriction the player allegedly circumvented.
Thank you both for your cooperation.
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