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Ybets Casino - Spillerens udbetaling er forsinket på grund af KYC-verifikation.
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The player from the Netherlands faced delays in withdrawing winnings from Ybets.net due to a prolonged KYC process that began on March 19th. After winning 2000 dollars and completing multiple document submissions, he was asked for a physical card instead of the virtual card he had provided. He felt that the lengthy process of 3.5 months since his win and 2.5 months since KYC had started was unreasonable.
The issue was resolved as the player's account was verified, and he successfully withdrew all his winnings. Additionally, the bonuses that were initially thought to be forfeited due to the withdrawal request were reinstated following further communication with the casino. The player expressed gratitude for the assistance received from the Complaints Team, noting the importance of their mediation in addressing unethical practices by the casino.
Spilleren fra Holland oplevede forsinkelser i udbetalingen af gevinster fra Ybets.net på grund af en langvarig KYC-proces, der begyndte den 19. marts. Efter at have vundet 2000 dollars og indsendt flere dokumenter, blev han bedt om et fysisk kort i stedet for det virtuelle kort, han havde angivet. Han mente, at den lange proces på 3,5 måneder siden hans gevinst og 2,5 måneder siden KYC startede, var urimelig. Problemet blev løst, da spillerens konto blev verificeret, og han hævede alle sine gevinster. Derudover blev de bonusser, der oprindeligt blev anset for at være fortabt på grund af udbetalingsanmodningen, genindført efter yderligere kommunikation med casinoet. Spilleren udtrykte taknemmelighed for den hjælp, han modtog fra klageteamet, og bemærkede vigtigheden af deres mægling i forbindelse med at håndtere casinoets uetiske praksis.
Den 18. februar i år indbetalte jeg 200 euro på Ybets.net.
Jeg fik en 100% bonus med et omsætningskrav på 60x og en maksimal CO på 10x ovenikøbet. Jeg var heldig nok til at vinde stort på spilleautomater med bonuspengene og vandt 2000 dollars. Hurra!
Jeg kunne naturligvis ikke udbetale pengene med det samme. Først skulle jeg igennem en væddemålsanmeldelse. Dette varede en måned, hvorefter jeg udbetalte 200 dollars.
KYC-processen startede den 19. marts. Nu den 4. juni ser det endelig ud til, at vi nærmer os afslutningen, efter at have leveret de ønskede dokumenter én efter én via e-mail - med svar nogle gange over 1 måned.
Til sidst, efter ID, kreditkort, ID med ansigt og hjemmeside, kryptotransaktion, bliver jeg bedt om et billede af kortet. Det, der anmodes om, er dog et virtuelt kort, som jeg sendte (med autograf). Ybets anmodede om et fysisk kort.
Mit spørgsmål: Kan Ybets nægte min KYC baseret på det virtuelle kort? Er der en anden måde at løse dette på?
Min klage: Ybets har slet ikke haft travlt med at afslutte denne proces. Det er 3,5 måneder siden min gevinst og 2,5 måneder siden starten af KYC-processen. Jeg forstår, at disse ting nogle gange tager tid, men et par uger virker højst rimeligt. At vente i uger og nogle gange mere end en måned på et svar er ikke sjovt og har holdt mig i spænding siden februar. Jeg har bestået KYC hos 10+ andre velrenommerede online casinoer og håber, at det vil være det samme på denne side.
Dear Casino Guru,
On February 18th of this year I deposited 200 euro's on Ybets.net.
I got a 100% bonus with 60x wagering requirement and 10x max CO to go with it. I was lucky enough to win big on slots with the bonus money and went on to win 2000 dollars. Hooray!
Obviously, I couldn't cash out immediately. First, I had to go through the Bet Review process. This lasted a month, after which I cashed out 200 dollars.
The KYC process started on March 19th. Now on June 4th we finally seem to be nearing the end, after providing, one-by-one, the requested documents by email - with replies sometimes 1+ month.
Lastly, after ID, creditcard, ID with face and website, crypto transaction, I am asked for a picture of card. The one requested, however, is a virtual card, which I sent (with autograph). Ybets requested a physical card.
My question: can Ybets deny my KYC based on the virtual card? Is there another way to resolve this?
My complaint: Ybets has been no hurry whatsoever to finish this process. It has been 3,5 months since my win and 2,5 months since the start of the KYC process. I understand that these things take time sometimes, but a few weeks seams reasonable at most. Waiting weeks and sometimes more than a month for a reply is no fun, and has kept me in suspense since February. I have successfully passed KYC at 10+ other reputable online Casino's and hope it will be the same on this site.
Mange tak for din klage. Jeg er ked af at høre om dit problem med Ybets Casino. Tillad mig venligst at stille dig et par spørgsmål, så jeg kan forstå hele situationen fuldt ud:
Informerede casinoet dig om, hvorvidt alle dine indsendte dokumenter blev godkendt?
Hvilken betalingsmetode (virtuelt kort) brugte du?
Har du andre dokumenter (kontoudtog osv.), der indeholder nummeret på det virtuelle kort?
Har du prøvet at kontakte betalingsudbyderen for at spørge, om de kan give dig en bekræftelse på, at kortet tilhører dig, eller et lignende dokument?
Jeg håber, at vi kan hjælpe dig med at løse dette problem hurtigst muligt. Mange tak på forhånd for dit svar.
Med venlig hilsen,
Natalia
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Dear sebaz0rz,
Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about your problem with Ybets Casino. Please allow me to ask you a few questions, so I can understand the whole situation completely:
Did the casino inform you whether all of your submitted documents were approved?
What payment method (virtual card) did you use?
Do you have any other documents (account statement, etc) that include the number of the virtual card?
Have you tried contacting the payment provider to ask if they can provide you with a confirmation letter that the card belongs to you or any similar document?
I hope we will be able to help you resolve this issue as soon as possible. Thank you very much in advance for your reply.
Best regards,
Natalia
Please note that Casino.Guru will never ask for any payments or request access to your accounts. If anyone claims to be Casino.Guru personnel and asks for such actions, do not provide any information.
The only legitimate way we will contact you is through this official complaint platform or via the email addresses provided in your complaint thread.
Stay cautious and contact us directly if you have any doubts.
Mange tak for dit hurtige svar. For at besvare dine spørgsmål:
Nej, Ybets bekræftede ikke eksplicit godkendelsen af nogen af de fremlagte dokumenter. Men hver gang de bad om et nyt dokument, sagde de "så vi kan fortsætte med verifikationsproceduren, bedes du fremlægge følgende dokument" og derefter gå videre til det næste. Én gang bad de om et klarere billede, og når det blev fremlagt, gik de videre til det næste dokument. Dette får mig til at antage, at de tidligere dokumenter alle blev godkendt i rækkefølge.
Jeg brugte et virtuelt Visa-kort fra Revolut Bank. (Bemærk venligst, at dette ikke var den betalingsmetode, der blev brugt til den indbetaling, der førte til gevinsten. Dette var en bankoverførsel).
Ja, jeg kan downloade kontoudtog, der viser kortnummeret (de første 6 og sidste 4 cifre) for betalinger foretaget med dette kort.
Ja, jeg kan downloade en kortbekræftelseserklæring, der viser kontoindehaverens oplysninger, kortnummeret og udløbsdatoen.
Jeg har endnu ikke svaret på e-mailen med anmodning om et fysisk kort. Skal jeg i stedet give dem kontoudtoget og kortbekræftelsesdokumenterne?
Dear Natalia,
Thank you very much for your swift reply. To answer your questions:
No, Ybets did not explicitly confirm approval of any of the provided documents. However, every time when they would ask for a new document they would say "so we can proceed with the verification procedure, please provide the following document" and then move on to the next. One time they asked for a clearer picture and, when provided, moved on to the next document. This makes me assume that the earlier documents were all approved in sequence.
I used a virtual Visa card provided by Revolut bank. (Please note that this was not the payment method used for the deposit which led to the winnings. This was a bank transfer).
Yes, I am able to download account statements which show the card number (first 6 and last 4 digits) for payments made with this card.
Yes, I am able to download a Card Confirmation statement showing Account Holder details, the card number and the expiry date.
I have not responded yet to the email requesting a physical card. Should I provide them with the Account Statement and Card Confirmation documents instead?
Kære sebaz0rz, tak for dit svar. Hvis du brugte et virtuelt kort fra Revolut (ikke et engangskort), anbefaler jeg på det kraftigste, at du sender et skærmbillede af dit kort med oplysningerne eller en kortbekræftelse fra din app med alle detaljer (dine personlige oplysninger og kortnummer) sammen med kontoudtoget, som skal indeholde dine indbetalinger til casinoet foretaget med det pågældende kort (med kortnummeret inkluderet for hver transaktion).
Sørg venligst for at oplyse casinoet om, at du brugte et virtuelt kort, der ikke har en fysisk kopi. Casinoet bør acceptere disse dokumenter og være i stand til at gennemgå dem i en situation som din, hvor du ikke har et fysisk kort.
Giv mig venligst besked, når du har sendt alle dokumenterne, og hvad casinoet svarer dig.
Dear sebaz0rz, thank you for your response. If you used a Virtual Card from Revolut (not a disposable one), then I highly recommend providing a screenshot of your card with the details or a card confirmation from your app with all details (your personal information and the card number) together with the account statement, which should include your deposits to the casino made using that card (with the card numebr included for each transaction).
Please, make sure that you specify to the casino that you used a virtual card that has no physical copy. The casino should accept these documents and be able to review them in a situation like yours when you have no physical card.
Please let me know once you send all the documents, and what the casino responds to you.
Jeg har sendt skærmbilleder af (begge sider) af kortet, og har nu gjort det klart, at kortet ikke har nogen fysisk kopi. Jeg har givet dem et kontoudtog, der viser de (eneste) to transaktioner (begge hævninger), der er foretaget på det virtuelle kort. Jeg har også vedlagt en kortbekræftelseserklæring fra min bank. Tak for rådet. Jeg giver dig besked, når jeg modtager et svar.
Dear Natalia,
I had sent screenshots of (both sides) of the card, and have now made clear that the card has no physical copy. I have provided them with an account statement which shows the (only) two transactions (both withdrawals) made to the virtual card. I have also included a Card Confirmation statement provided by my bank. Thank you for the advice. I will let you know when I receive a response.
Mange tak for dit svar, sebaz0rz. Vil du venligst videresende al relevant kommunikation mellem dig og casinoet til natalia.b@casino.guru Alternativt kan du poste skærmbillederne her. Tak på forhånd.
Thank you very much for your reply, sebaz0rz. Could you please forward all the relevant communication between you and the casino to natalia.b@casino.guru? Alternatively, you can post the screenshots here. Thank you in advance.
Mange tak for dit samarbejde, sebaz0rz. Jeg vil nu videresende din klage til min kollega Michal ( michal.k@casino.guru ) som vil stå til din tjeneste. Jeg ønsker dig held og lykke og håber, at problemet vil blive løst til din tilfredshed i den nærmeste fremtid.
Thank you very much, sebaz0rz, for your cooperation. I will now transfer your complaint to my colleague Michal (michal.k@casino.guru) who will be at your service. I wish you the best of luck and hope the problem will be resolved to your satisfaction in the near future.
Jeg hedder Michal, og jeg har overtaget din klage. Jeg har gennemgået din sag, og jeg vil kontakte casinoet for at få belyst sagen nærmere og se, om jeg kan hjælpe på en eller anden måde.
Vi vil også gerne invitere Ybets Casino til at deltage i denne diskussion.
Kære Ybets Casino-team,
Kan du forklare, hvorfor spilleren ikke blev bedt om at indsende de nødvendige dokumenter til KYC i den periode, du ventede på spiludbyderens verifikation, da KYC-processen muligvis var afsluttet nu? Hvilke specifikke dokumenter vil stadig være nødvendige fra spilleren til KYC-processen, og hvilke handlinger kan der træffes for at fremskynde den?
Dear sebaz0rz,
I'm Michal, and I have taken over your complaint. I have reviewed your case, and I will contact the casino to shed more light on this matter and to see if I can help somehow.
We would also like to invite Ybets Casino to participate in this discussion.
Dear Ybets Casino Team,
Could you please explain why the player was not asked to submit the necessary documents for KYC during the period you were awaiting the game provider's verification, as the KYC process could have been finalized by now? What specific documents will still be required from the player for the KYC process, and what actions can be taken to accelerate it?
Vi har videregivet alle oplysningerne til vores KYC-afdeling.
Du kan være sikker på, at din anmodning er under gennemgang og vil blive behandlet hurtigst muligt.
Vi beklager oprigtigt eventuelle ulemper, som denne forsinkelse måtte have forårsaget, og takker for jeres forståelse og tålmodighed i denne periode.
Med venlig hilsen,
Ybets Casino-repræsentant
Dear sebaz0rz and Casino Guru,
We have relayed all the information to our KYC Department.
Please be assured that your request is under review and will be addressed at the earliest opportunity.
We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this delay may have caused and express our gratitude for your understanding and patience throughout this period.
Tak for dit svar. For klarhedens skyld vil vi sætte pris på din afklaring af følgende spørgsmål:
I de seneste uger/måneder har vi bemærket en betydelig stigning i antallet af klager over unødvendige, forlængede verifikationsprocesser. Disse forsinkelser har givet anledning til bekymring om potentielle systemiske problemer i jeres drift. Kan I venligst give indsigt i de grundlæggende årsager til disse forsinkelser? Derudover vil vi gerne forstå, hvilke skridt der tages for at strømline processen og sikre rettidige løsninger fremadrettet.
Gennemsigtighed i denne sag ville være en stor hjælp til at imødekomme disse bekymringer og genoprette tilliden. Vi ser frem til dit hurtige og detaljerede svar.
Dear Ybets Casino Representative,
Thank you for your response. For the sake of clarity, we’d appreciate your clarification on the following matter:
In recent weeks/months, we’ve noticed a significant rise in complaints about unnecessary extended verification processes. These delays have raised concerns about potential systemic issues within your operations. Could you kindly provide insight into the root causes of these delays? Additionally, we’d like to understand what steps are being taken to streamline the process and ensure timely resolutions moving forward.
Transparency in this matter would go a long way in addressing these concerns and restoring confidence. We look forward to your prompt and detailed response.
Tak fordi I endelig har bekræftet min konto. Jeg kan bekræfte, at jeg har hævet 800 ud af 1800 dollars (jeg delte det op i dele, da jeg altid synes, det er lidt skræmmende at flytte store kryptosummer), og jeg stoler på, at de resterende midler snart finder min konto.
Som tidligere nævnt mistede jeg bonuspenge under gennemgangsprocessen af væddemålet. Jeg er blevet forsikret om, at disse vil blive refunderet, når verifikationsprocessen er afsluttet. Se venligst de vedhæftede filer. Jeg håber, at disse bonuspenge hurtigt finder min konto.
Med venlig hilsen,
sebaz0rz
Dear Ybets, Casino Guru,
Thank you for finally verifying my account. I can confirm that I have successfully withdrawn 800 out of 1800 dollars (I split it up in parts as I always find moving large sums of crypto a bit scary) and trust that the remaining funds will soon find my account.
As previously discussed, I lost bonus funds during the bet review process. I have been assured that these will be refunded once the verification process is finished. Please see the attachments. I hope that these bonus funds will find my account swiftly.
Jeg har nu hævet alle mine gevinster. Mange tak for din hjælp. Nu er det kun bonuspengene tilbage.
Jeg er stadig bekymret over disse forsinkende metoder/unødvendigt lange verifikationsprocesser fra Ybets, den totale mangel på gennemsigtighed og den falske tryghed (for 3 måneder siden fik jeg at vide, at det ville være færdigt "meget snart"). Alt dette tyder ikke på et sundt casinomiljø.
Med venlig hilsen,
sebaz0rz
Dear Michal,
I have successfully withdrawn all my winnings. Thank you very much for your help. Now only the bonus funds remain.
I do still worry about these stalling practices/unnecessarily long verification processes by Ybets, total lack of transparency and false reassurance (3 months ago I was told that it would be finished "very soon"). All of this does not suggest a healthy casino environment.
Gode nyheder. Jeg er glad for, at du modtog alle dine gevinster, hvilket var den primære bekymring i din klage. Jeg forstår fuldt ud dine frustrationer over de alt for lange verifikationsprocedurer hos Ybets Casino. Vi har allerede meddelt vores bekymringer til casinoteamet, da vi har modtaget adskillige klager fra spillere, der tyder på, at verifikationen, spiludbyderkontroller eller andre vurderinger tog betydeligt længere tid end forventet. Vi er blevet forsikret om, at de allerede har forbedret dette, og at de vil forbedre deres processer yderligere fremadrettet. Vi vil dog fortsat overvåge situationen nøje.
Jeg håber, at du allerede har bemærket, at vi på grund af de mange klager over de alt for lange verifikationsprocedurer har ændret Ybets sikkerhedsindeksvurdering, og vi har fjernet den tidligere "Fair Bange"-betegnelse fra casinoet.
Jeg tror, at dette vil motivere casinoteamet til at gøre en større indsats for effektivt at løse deres kundeklager.
Fortæl mig venligst, hvordan casinoteamet håndterede tilbagebetalingen af bonuspengene til dig.
Dear sebaz0rz,
Great news. I'm glad you received all your winnings, which was the primary concern of your complaint. I completely empathize with your frustrations regarding the excessively lengthy verification procedures at Ybets Casino. We have already communicated our concerns to the casino team, as we have received numerous complaints from players indicating that the verification, game provider checks, or other assessments were taking significantly longer than anticipated. We have been assured that they already have improved this, and they will further enhance their processes moving forward; however, we will continue to monitor the situation closely.
I trust you have already observed that, because of the multiple complaints regarding the excessively lengthy verification procedures, we have amended the Ybets safety index rating, and we have removed the previous "Fair Bange" designation from the casino.
I believe this will motivate the casino team to put more effort into effectively resolving their customer complaints.
Please let me know how the casino team addressed the recrediting of the bonus funds to you.
Jeg har lige snakket med en Ybets-medarbejder, og de refunderer ikke bonusser, der udløb under gennemgangsprocessen af væddemålet. De hævder, at bonusserne ikke vil blive refunderet, fordi jeg har anmodet om udbetaling, men jeg kunne ikke engang anmode om udbetaling under hverken gennemgangsprocessen af væddemålet eller KYC-processen, fordi hele udbetalingsområdet er blokeret af denne besked. Endnu engang føler jeg, at jeg bliver narret af Ybets, da to medarbejdere tidligere har forsikret mig ("bare rolig") om, at mine bonusser ville blive refunderet, når KYC-processen var overstået. Jeg er glad for, at jeg endelig modtog mine gevinster, men dette er endnu en skuffelse fra Ybets.
I've just chatted with a Ybets employee and they won't reimburse the bonuses which expired during the Bet Review process. They claim that the bonuses won't be reimbursed because I made a withdrawal request, but I wasn't even able to make a withdrawal request during either the Bet Review process nor the KYC process, because the whole withdrawal area is blocked by this message. Once again, I feel like I'm being tricked by Ybets, as two employees previously assured me (''don't worry'') that my bonuses would be reimbursed once the KYC process was over. I'm glad I finally received my winnings, but this is yet another disappointment from Ybets.
Jeg forstår din pointe; det er dog en ret almindelig branchestandard i højst sandsynligt de fleste casinoer, at når en udbetalingsanmodning er indsendt, annulleres alle bonusser.
Jeg anerkender de tidligere livechat-samtaler, hvor de angav, at bonussen vil blive genindført efter gennemgangsprocessen af væddemålet.
Bare for at præcisere, når gennemgangsprocessen af væddemålet er afsluttet, er bonusserne så blevet genudbetalt til dig? Har du spillet nogen spil, før du indsendte udbetalingerne? Hvornår indsendte du udbetalingerne?
Dear sebaz0rz,
I understand your point; however, it is quite an industry standard in most likely the majority of casinos that once there is a withdrawal request submitted, any bonuses are cancelled.
I acknowledge the previous live chat conversations where they indicated that the bonus will be reinstated after the bet review process.
Just to clarify, once the Bet review process has finished, have the bonuses been recredited to you? Have you been playing any games before you submitted the withdrawals? When did you submit the withdrawals?
Jeg forstår, at bonusser annulleres ved udbetalingsanmodninger. Jeg anmodede om udbetaling, efter at gennemgangsprocessen af væddemålet var afsluttet. Jeg føler mig dog vildledt af agenterne, som forsikrede mig om, at bonusserne ville blive genindført efter gennemgangsprocessen af væddemålet (og senere KYC). Det gik som følger:
Den 18. februar indbetalte jeg 200 kr. og vandt 2000 kr. med bonuspengene (det maksimale udbetalingsbeløb).
Jeg anmoder om udbetaling
Gennemgang af væddemål starter. Jeg venter. Jeg kan ikke foretage en ny udbetaling, da meddelelsen om gennemgang af væddemål blokerer udbetalingsskærmen.
Den 25. februar får jeg endnu en indbetalingsbonus på 125%. Jeg indbetaler 300 euro og får en bonus på omkring 386 dollars.
Engang i starten af marts snakker jeg med to agenter for at høre om mine bonusser, som udløber den 11. marts. De forsikrer mig om, at bonusserne vil blive genindført, når gennemgangsprocessen af væddemålet er overstået.
Den 18. marts er væddemålsanmeldelsen slut. Jeg hæver 200 og anmoder om udbetaling af de resterende 1800. KYC-processen begynder.
Jeg snakker igen med en agent om bonusserne og er forsikret om, at de vil blive genindført efter KYC-processen.
Jeg tror under alle omstændigheder aldrig ville have været i stand til at bruge bonuspengene. Jeg ville have været nødt til at tabe de 2000 dollars (hvilket ville have været utroligt dumt, da jeg havde nået det maksimale udbetalingsbeløb), fordi de ikke tillader bonusspil med rigtige penge (hvilket er forståeligt). Så på grund af Bet Review-processen og den manglende mulighed for at hæve gevinsterne tidligere, havde jeg haft en fuldstændig ubrugelig og ugyldig bonus, som agenterne forsikrede mig om ville blive refunderet, når Bet Review - og senere KYC-processer - var overstået.
Teknisk set har de nok ret. Jeg har anmodet om udbetaling og mistede derfor bonussen.
De gav mig dog falsk tryghed. Jeg havde allerede foretaget en udbetaling, da KYC-processen var startet, hvilket ugyldiggjorde bonussen, men agenten forsikrede mig om, at den ville blive genoptaget, når alt var overstået. Som så mange gange under denne proces føler jeg mig som om, jeg bliver spillet af Ybets. Endnu engang - jeg er glad for, at jeg modtog gevinsterne efter 3,5 måneder, men jeg sætter alvorligt spørgsmålstegn ved, hvor lang tid det ville have taget (hvis nogensinde), hvis jeg ikke havde kontaktet Casino Guru.
Helt ærligt, at tilbagebetale bonusserne (som de sagde, de ville), ville genskabe noget af min tillid. Det ville være en venlig gestus efter en så kedelig proces. På nuværende tidspunkt er der kun lidt tillid tilbage.
Dear Michal,
I understand that bonuses are cancelled upon withdrawal requests. I made withdrawal request after the Bet Review process was over. However, I feel misled by the agents, whom assured me that the bonuses would be reinstated after the bet review (and later KYC) process. It went as follows:
February 18'th, I deposited 200, won 2000 with the bonus funds (the max cashout amount)
I make a withdrawal request
Bet Review process starts. I wait. I cannot make a new withdrawal, due to the Bet Review message blocking the withdrawal screen
February 25'th, I get another deposit bonus offer of 125%. I deposit 300 euro's, get somewhere around 386 dollars bonus
Somewhere early March, I chat with two agents to inquire about my bonuses which are to expire on March 11'th. They assure me that the bonuses will be reinstated when the Bet Review process is over.
March 18'th, the Bet Review is over. I withdraw 200 and make a withdrawal request for the remaining 1800. The KYC process begins.
I chat again with an agent about the bonuses and am assured that they will be reinstated after the KYC process
I guess, in any case, I would never have been able to use the bonus funds. I would've had to lose the 2000 dollars (which would've been incredibly stupid, since I'd reached the max cashout amount), because they don't allow bonus play with real money funds available (which is understandable). So due to the Bet Review process and not being able to withdrawal the winnings earlier, I had had a totally useless and invalid bonus, which the agents assured me would be reimbursed once the Bet Review - and later KYC processes - were over.
Technically, I guess they are correct. I made a withdrawal request and therefore forfeited the bonus.
However, they gave me false reassurance. I had already made a withdrawal once the KYC process had started, invalidating the bonus, but the agent reassured me it would be reinstated once everything was over. Like many times during this process, I feel like I'm being played by Ybets. Once again - I'm glad I received the winnings after 3,5 months, but I seriously question how long it would have taken (if ever), if I had not contacted Casino Guru.
Honestly, reimbursing the bonuses (as they said they would), would restore some of my trust. It would be a kind gesture after such a tedious process. At this point, there is little trust left.
Tak for dit svar. Jeg forstår, at situationen med bonusserne, set fra et brugeroplevelsesperspektiv, langt fra er ideel. Jeg er klar over, at live chat-agenterne tidligere har meddelt dig, at bonusserne ville blive genindført, men baseret på dit seneste svar ser det ud til, at de blot fulgte de etablerede bonusregler. Under alle omstændigheder tror jeg, det ville være yderst nyttigt, hvis casinoteamet kunne give en klarere forklaring på omstændighederne og de trufne handlinger.
Kære Ybets Casino-repræsentant,
Kan I venligst kaste lys over situationen vedrørende bonusserne? Det ser ud til, at spilleren tidligere blev informeret af jeres live chat-agenter om, at bonusserne ville blive genindført, men de har nu modtaget modstridende oplysninger.
Derudover, er der nogen måde, I kan imødekomme spilleren på?
Dear sebaz0rz,
Thank you for your response. I understand that, from a user experience perspective, the situation with the bonuses is far from ideal. I recognize that the live chat agents previously communicated to you that the bonuses would be reinstated, but based on your recent reply, it seems they were just following the established bonus rules. Anyway, I believe it would be most helpful if the casino team could offer a clearer explanation regarding the circumstances and the actions taken.
Dear Ybets Casino Representative,
Could you please shed some light on the situation concerning the bonuses? It appears that the player was earlier advised by your live chat agents that the bonuses would be reinstated, but they have now received conflicting information.
Additionally, is there any way you could accommodate the player?
Tak for dit hurtige svar. Bare for at være helt klar, min pointe er, at agenterne ikke blot fulgte etablerede bonusregler. I stedet gav de mig falske oplysninger og/eller falske forsikringer og løfter.
Selvom jeg allerede havde foretaget en udbetaling den 18. marts – hvilket ifølge bonusreglerne burde have annulleret min bonus – fik jeg stadig at vide, at jeg ville få bonusserne tilbage.
Jeg fik endda at vide, at jeg ville modtage bonusserne efter udbetalingstjekket (hvilket antyder, at jeg allerede havde anmodet om udbetaling på det tidspunkt):
9. marts:
Den 29. marts fik jeg at vide, at de forventede, at dette ville blive løst "meget snart" (det tog yderligere 3 måneder derefter)
Endnu engang, den 11. april, blev jeg forsikret om, at bonusserne ville blive genindført efter KYC-processen var overstået og selv efter min udbetaling :
Jeg tror, jeg har fået min pointe fremført. Alle agenterne vidste, eller burde have vidst, at min bonus var - eller ville blive - annulleret efter udbetalingen. I stedet fortalte de mig noget andet, selv efter jeg allerede havde foretaget udbetalingen. Jeg fik endda at vide, at bonussen ville blive genindført , efter jeg havde foretaget udbetalingen, og dermed omgået deres egne bonusregler! (Hvilket ville give mening i betragtning af omstændighederne). En udbetaling blev endda angivet som en forudsætning for at få bonussen tilbage! I bakspejlet var dette fuldstændig falske oplysninger og i fuldstændig modstrid med de senere beskeder, hvor jeg fik at vide, at bonusserne var annulleret, fordi jeg foretog en udbetaling. Dette bekymrer mig.
Tag jer sammen, Ybets. Og hold venligst op med at lyve for jeres spillere.
Dear Michal,
Thank you for your swift response. Just to be clear, my point is that the agents were not simply following established bonus rules. Instead, they were providing me with false information and/or false reassurance and promises.
Even though I had already made a withdrawal on March 18th—which, according to the bonus rules, should have canceled my bonus—I was still told that I would get the bonuses back.
I was even told that I would receive the bonuses after the withdrawal check (which implies I had already made a withdrawal request at that point):
March 9'th:
March 29'th, I was told that they expected this to be resolved 'very soon' (it took another 3 months after that)
Once again, on April 11'th, I was reassured that the bonuses would be reinstated after the KYC process was over and even after my withdrawal:
I think I've made my point. All of the agents knew, or should have known, that my bonus was - or would be - cancelled after the withdrawal. Instead, they told me differently, even after I had already made the withdrawal. I was even told that the bonus would be reinstated after I made the withdrawal, thereby bypassing their own bonus rules! (Which would make sense, given the circumstances). A withdrawal was even stated as being a prerequisite for getting the bonus back! In hindsight, this was completely false information, and in utter contradiction with the later messages in which I was told that the bonuses were cancelled because I made a withdrawal. This troubles me.
Get your act together, Ybets. And please stop lying to your players.
Vi har anmodet casinoet om at svare på klagen og forlænget tidsfristen med 7 dage. Hvis casinoet ikke svarer inden da, er vi nødt til at lukke klagesagen som "uløst". Uløste klagesager påvirker casinoets rating i negativ retning.
We would like to ask the casino to reply to this complaint. We are extending the timer by 7 days. If the casino fails to respond in the set time frame, we will close the complaint as ‘unresolved’ which may negatively affect its rating.
Mange tak for din hjælp. Det er dejligt at vide, at casinoer ikke bare kan slippe afsted med uetisk praksis, og at der er hjælp at hente. Sagen er løst.
Med venlig hilsen,
Sebastian
Dear Ybets,
Thank you for crediting the bonuses.
Dear Michal,
Thank you very much for your help. It’s nice to know that casino’s can’t just get away with unethical practices and that there is help out there. The case is resolved.
Tak for din bekræftelse. Jeg er glad for, at vores engagement spillede en vigtig rolle i at løse situationen. Vi vil gå videre og markere klagen som 'løst' i vores system. Vi vil gerne takke begge parter for deres samarbejde. Hvis du nogensinde støder på problemer med dette eller andre casinoer i fremtiden, er du velkommen til at kontakte vores klagecenter. Vi er her for at hjælpe.
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Med venlig hilsen,
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Casino Guru
Dear sebaz0rz,
Thank you for your confirmation. I am glad that our involvement played an important role in resolving the situation. We'll go ahead and mark the complaint as 'resolved' in our system. We would like to thank both parties for their cooperation. If you ever encounter any issues with this or any other casino in the future, please feel free to reach out to our Complaint Resolution Center. We're here to help.
As you know, we do not charge for our services, nor do we accept any gratuities. However, if you could take a moment to share your experience with our services on Trustpilot Rate Casino Guru, it would be much appreciated. Your honest review and any suggestions for improving our complaint resolution and mediation process would be invaluable. Your feedback could also be helpful to others who are considering reaching out to us for assistance with online casino-related issues.
Thank you in advance for your time
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Casino Guru
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