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player0990
3 måneder siden
gbdk

What seems to be happening here is a mixing of different levels of the issue, and that’s where the misunderstanding comes from.

There is a difference between:

  • how a situation feels to the player,
  • what is ethically expected from a casino,
  • and what can actually be established and proven in a complaint process.

The complaint was not rejected because the question was "ill-intentioned" or because player protection is being denied. It was rejected because, based on the information provided, there was no verifiable evidence that the casino prevented a withdrawal or explicitly conditioned account closure on losing the balance. What could be established was that the balance was played and lost.

General statements about how things "cannot work in Spain" are not the same as demonstrating that this is what happened in this specific case. In any complaint procedure, claims have to be supported by concrete facts or documentation, regardless of the country involved.

Regarding account closure: in practice, casinos usually distinguish between a regular account closure and an immediate block due to problem gambling. In urgent cases, an instant block may come with consequences for an active balance. This is not a moral judgment, but a practical and procedural reality, and it exists precisely because health and harm prevention sometimes take priority over funds.

That does not mean the situation is pleasant or easy to accept. It only means that without clear proof that the casino acted unlawfully or misleadingly, there is very limited room for intervention. Asking questions is fair, but disagreement with the outcome does not automatically mean the explanation is invented or generalized.

3 måneder siden
gbdk

What seems to be happening here is a mixing of different levels of the issue, and that’s where the misunderstanding comes from.

There is a difference between:

  • how a situation feels to the player,
  • what is ethically expected from a casino,
  • and what can actually be established and proven in a complaint process.

The complaint was not rejected because the question was "ill-intentioned" or because player protection is being denied. It was rejected because, based on the information provided, there was no verifiable evidence that the casino prevented a withdrawal or explicitly conditioned account closure on losing the balance. What could be established was that the balance was played and lost.

General statements about how things "cannot work in Spain" are not the same as demonstrating that this is what happened in this specific case. In any complaint procedure, claims have to be supported by concrete facts or documentation, regardless of the country involved.

Regarding account closure: in practice, casinos usually distinguish between a regular account closure and an immediate block due to problem gambling. In urgent cases, an instant block may come with consequences for an active balance. This is not a moral judgment, but a practical and procedural reality, and it exists precisely because health and harm prevention sometimes take priority over funds.

That does not mean the situation is pleasant or easy to accept. It only means that without clear proof that the casino acted unlawfully or misleadingly, there is very limited room for intervention. Asking questions is fair, but disagreement with the outcome does not automatically mean the explanation is invented or generalized.

3 måneder siden
esdkgb

Siden jeg har chatten, hvor de tydeligt siger, at hvis jeg lukker kontoen, mister jeg min saldo, er det ikke et klart bevis?


Jeg anmoder om en lukning, og de lyver for mig og siger, at jeg mister saldoen; i Spanien er det ulovligt, som det fremgår af deres regler.


Hvis det ikke er nok for dig, så se ... det er tydeligt, hvem du vil forsvare.


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player0990
3 måneder siden
gbdk

Hello, perhaps we misunderstand each other. Let's put aside what is or is not legal in Spain, because this casino is not licensed in Spain, as far as I can tell. Can you maybe confirm that?

"Since I have the chat where they clearly say that if I close the account I lose my balance, isn't that clear proof?"

Proof is unnecessary because the casino rules state the voidance, correct? I was trying to explain that, from a practical standpoint, there are two options:

1) The player is okay and can wait for the payout to close the account afterwards.

2) If the player is not okay and is experiencing gambling issues, the account must be closed immediately, regardless of the remaining balance. Health and preventing further losses take priority over the account balance.

It is inconvenient, yet the addicted player is very likely to lose the money anyway and thus should be restricted from entering the site immediately. There is no middle ground.

Thus, if you lose the balance, there is sadly no space for confronting the casino. This is basically why my colleagues rejected your complaint request, I reckon.

In any case, I suggest you only play in casinos that are licensed in your jurisdiction. If you do so, you may then discuss the approach to problem gambling at casinos with your national license provider or lawyer.


3 måneder siden
gbdk

Hello, perhaps we misunderstand each other. Let's put aside what is or is not legal in Spain, because this casino is not licensed in Spain, as far as I can tell. Can you maybe confirm that?

"Since I have the chat where they clearly say that if I close the account I lose my balance, isn't that clear proof?"

Proof is unnecessary because the casino rules state the voidance, correct? I was trying to explain that, from a practical standpoint, there are two options:

1) The player is okay and can wait for the payout to close the account afterwards.

2) If the player is not okay and is experiencing gambling issues, the account must be closed immediately, regardless of the remaining balance. Health and preventing further losses take priority over the account balance.

It is inconvenient, yet the addicted player is very likely to lose the money anyway and thus should be restricted from entering the site immediately. There is no middle ground.

Thus, if you lose the balance, there is sadly no space for confronting the casino. This is basically why my colleagues rejected your complaint request, I reckon.

In any case, I suggest you only play in casinos that are licensed in your jurisdiction. If you do so, you may then discuss the approach to problem gambling at casinos with your national license provider or lawyer.


3 måneder siden
esdkgb

Lad os se, selvfølgelig er det licenseret i Spanien, og hvordan lukker jeg min konto, hvis jeg mister hele min saldo?


Jeg anmodede om en lukning, og de løj for mig om tabet af min saldo; ifølge de regler, som dette casino og dets operatør overholder, er det ulovligt.

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player0990
3 måneder siden
gbdk

Hello, I'll address just the facts here, if you don't mind.

As suggested, the account closure request must always be clearly composed and reflect one of those two options clearly.

Simply put: you have to choose the more suitable from both options.

1) If you just want to close the account, withdraw all funds and then ask for the account closure.

2) If you are at risk of problem gambling and feel like losing control, ask for a permanent account closure due to gambling issues. Your account will be closed as soon as possible, yet the balance may be voided. The point of the second option is to prevent struggling players from further harm.

Let me know how it went with DGOJ, please.


3 måneder siden
gbdk

Hello, I'll address just the facts here, if you don't mind.

As suggested, the account closure request must always be clearly composed and reflect one of those two options clearly.

Simply put: you have to choose the more suitable from both options.

1) If you just want to close the account, withdraw all funds and then ask for the account closure.

2) If you are at risk of problem gambling and feel like losing control, ask for a permanent account closure due to gambling issues. Your account will be closed as soon as possible, yet the balance may be voided. The point of the second option is to prevent struggling players from further harm.

Let me know how it went with DGOJ, please.


3 måneder siden
esdkgb

Tak for dit svar.


Det er nødvendigt at præcisere flere væsentlige punkter fra den spanske lovgivningsramme, som er gældende i denne sag, da operatøren er registreret i Generaldirektoratet for Spilleregulering (DGOJ) og derfor er underlagt spanske regler om spil og spillerbeskyttelse.


I Spanien har operatøren specifikke juridiske forpligtelser, herunder:


Pligt til at give spilleren sandfærdige, klare og ikke-vildledende oplysninger.

Pligt til aktivt at beskytte spilleren, når denne anmoder om lukning eller begrænsningsforanstaltninger.

Forbud mod at fremkalde fejl vedrørende de økonomiske konsekvenser af udøvelsen af ​​beskyttelsesrettigheder.

Pligt til at tilbyde reelle og korrekte alternativer for at beskytte balancen, når spilleren udtrykker et klart ønske om at lukke eller begrænse.



I mit tilfælde gav operatørens agent objektivt ukorrekte oplysninger og anførte, at lukning af kontoen ville resultere i tab af den disponible saldo. Denne erklæring er ikke i overensstemmelse med spanske regler og var afgørende for, at jeg ikke kunne træffe effektive foranstaltninger for at beskytte min saldo på det tidspunkt.


Kernen i problemet er ikke, om balancen efterfølgende blev spillet, eller om der var forskellige "typer" af afslutning, men snarere:


Operatøren gav ukorrekte oplysninger om konsekvenserne af lukningen.

Disse oplysninger forhindrede vedtagelsen af ​​en beskyttelsesafgørelse, hvilket efterlod balancen blotlagt.

Ansvaret for at give nøjagtige oplysninger ligger udelukkende hos operatøren, ikke hos spilleren.



Det er også værd at bemærke, at DGOJ ved flere lejligheder har sanktioneret operatører for adfærd bestående af informationsmangler, manglende overholdelse af regler for ansvarligt spil og mangel på effektiv spillerbeskyttelse i lignende situationer.


I spansk reguleringspraksis er det ikke ualmindeligt, at operatører vælger kompenserende løsninger eller aftaler med aktøren, før de pålægger sanktioner, når der konstateres misligholdelse, netop for at afbøde sanktionerne og omdømmepåvirkningen.


Mit krav er ikke baseret på en efterfølgende konfiskation af restbeløbet, men på fratagelse af udøvelsen af ​​en ret til beskyttelse på grund af dårlig informationspraksis, et forhold der er udtrykkeligt reguleret og strafbart i Spanien.


Af denne grund er sagen i øjeblikket til behandling hos den kompetente tilsynsmyndighed (DGOJ).


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player0990
3 måneder siden
gbdk

Sure, it's beneficial to discuss that with the licensing authority. Please share any progress made.

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