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A snippet From another helpful member on this forum that I saved


Misuse of Chargeback Time Limits (e.g. 120 Days): If the bank dismissed your claim on the basis of a strict time limit, explain why that doesn’t fairly apply — especially if you only later realised what the transactions were or discovered that the merchants were acting illegally
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In reality it only applies to criminal cases and exceptional circumstances such as holidays being cancelled. Information is generally available on it.


I have been through the absolute mire with Revolut, Visa, Mastercard and lots of different authorities including civil lawyers. Raised cases against Santeda in Curacao and they moved their licence to Anjouan! Got most funds back after the threat of legal action with Revolut but still want criminal action taken against Santeda and will continue to fight for that.

Anonymized912
6 måneder siden
In reality it only applies to criminal cases

Is this not the case though it being illegal?


Good for you! and thanks for the reply and information

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Kelly1234
6 måneder siden

I raised it as a complaint. A.I wrote me a lovely email to send. Strange how I've not heard from them yet tho.

It was disputing the transactions on affect tho.

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Someone.Else
6 måneder siden

Yes mine was essentially disputing transactions but was sent to complaints department, this was early March when I sent the initial email!

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In reality it only applies to criminal cases

Is this not the case though it being illegal?


Good for you! and thanks for the reply and information

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Illegal and criminal are not always the same thing sadly. If there is a literal criminal case against these companies/persons then that is precedent set. If they have operated illegally but have no criminal case then it's interpreted differently by the banks.

Kelly1234
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I'll hold out to see what they say. Be nice to get the monies back, but if not, it's all my own doing.

Someone.Else
6 måneder siden

what dates were your disputed transactions?

BettyBetty
6 måneder siden

Måske lidt sent, men jeg har tilføjet dig på Discord.

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TRNDBM - any contact? Any detail?

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Hej alle sammen,

Jeg ville dele min oplevelse og bede om jeres feedback på et alvorligt problem, jeg har med Revolut, som jeg synes passer perfekt til denne tråd om forkerte MCC'er og Curaçao-licenser.

Jeg har foretaget transaktioner med en spiludbyder, der ifølge min research opererer ureguleret i Spanien (dens primære domæne er blokeret, selvom de bruger alternative domæner, der er tilgængelige).

Mit største problem er de fuldstændig modstridende og vildledende oplysninger, som Revolut har givet mig:

I appen og fra Revolut-support: Transaktioner blev vist under kategorier, der IKKE angav hasardspil. For eksempel "ikke-hasardspilvirksomheder", "Supermarkeder og fødevarer" eller "PROFESSIONELLE TJENESTER". Dette fik mig til at tro, at jeg ikke foretog hasardspilbetalinger.

Når jeg forsøger at bestride betalinger (med Revolut-support): Pludselig får jeg besked om, at "kortselskabets regler (Visa/Mastercard) har klassificeret transaktionerne som hasardspil." Det værste er, at Revolut-support selv indrømmer, at den kategorisering, der vises i deres system (den jeg ser i appen), "muligvis ikke afspejler dette nøjagtigt." Med andre ord anerkender de, at kortselskabet har en MCC til spil, men de viser mig en generisk i appen.

Modsigelse af RevPoints: Revolut har en politik om ikke at tildele RevPoints for gamblingtransaktioner. Jeg har bekræftet, at jeg IKKE blev tildelt RevPoints for disse transaktioner. Dette beviser, at Revolut internt klassificerede dem som gambling fra starten, på trods af at de blev vildledt af at blive vist andet i appen. Da jeg spurgte, hvorfor der ikke blev tilføjet point til køb, der "ifølge dig ikke var gambling inden for Revolut", kunne supporten ikke give et sammenhængende svar.

Inkonsekvens i blokeringen: Revolut fortalte mig, at de blokerer visse spiludbydere på grund af "lokale regler i Spanien". De blokerede dog ikke transaktioner til denne udbyder (hvilket er ulovligt i Spanien). Da jeg spurgte, hvorfor disse transaktioner ikke var blokeret, hvis de var spiltransaktioner, gav supporten mig kun undskyldninger om kompleksiteten af ​​blokeringerne.

Derudover har jeg opdaget, at jeg havde en lignende transaktion med en anden bank (ING), som også er kategoriseret generisk ("Køb (andet)"), hvilket antyder et bredere problem med, hvordan finansielle institutioner håndterer disse kategoriseringer.

Jeg har indgivet en intern klage til Revolut og afventer dens afgørelse, før jeg om nødvendigt kan kontakte den spanske nationalbank.

Mit spørgsmål er: Mener du, at jeg med alle disse beviser på modsigelser og bedrag fra Revoluts side har et solidt argument for at kræve en refusion? Har nogen haft lignende oplevelser med Revolut og denne dobbelte MCC, de bruger til tvister?

Tak for din hjælp!

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M.414
6 måneder siden

This is really helpful, thank you.

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player0990
6 måneder siden

Den spanske centralbank ... vil blot fortælle dig, at transaktionerne var konsensuelle, og at banken ikke har nogen forpligtelse til at overvåge disse platforme. Jeg siger dig dette af erfaring ... prøv at presse banken så meget som muligt. Det er den eneste måde, de kan eskalere din tvist på.

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player0990
6 måneder siden

Jeg råder dig også, ligesom mange andre på dette forum, til at forsøge at finde oplysninger om den butik, der er angivet på din kontoudtog. Kontakt butikken og send dem en e-mail, hvor du påstår, at du aldrig har købt noget hos dem. Mange har modtaget en direkte refusion af nogle af eller alle deres penge.

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Kelly1234
6 måneder siden

From February this year.

I have received some back by contacting the merchant directly myself. This was after I sent the email to the bank.

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I have been AWOL for a couple of weeks,I'm so fed up with all this and want t give up, I'm resigning to the fact I dnt think il get my 21k back, I've stopped getting replies from the casinos, my bank of Scotland accounts have all been closed including my childrens, I have a open case with the ombudsman regarding Starling and I'm about to submit one regarding bank of Scotland. Majority of these big transactions were June to November last year.


Got the email from gambling commission asking me all the questions, I've sill to email them back.

I've complained to the Curacao gaming board that most of these casinos do not have the CEG live seal on their websites which is a breach of their licence terms, and I've left negative trust pilot reviews.

I have tried contacting MasterCard and the ISO who make the rules for banks etc but no response.

I'm exhausted now, and don't know what else to do, it's time consuming and mind boggling!

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Revolut are complete scum - they genuinely have no idea what they are doing. Same with all the newer online banks- they do not actually know the chargeback rules.

"Regardless if a payment is for "gambling" under Mastercard rules payments are only considered gambling if the correct coding is applied" - source - Mastercard.


Nobody should be scared to mention the transactions are fake gambling payments to these banks but the fact is if it is mentioned then it's normally game over. This has to change.


These shit banks are getting out of having to do any work by seeing the word 'gambling' and automatically rejecting chargebacks. If the amounts you have spent are material enough then get a civil lawyer as they will demolish the banks claims almost instantly - the legal framework is there and it's clear - the banks just won't do anything until they are threatened with legal action.

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Hi,

Do you have a source for that quote from Mastercard you'd be willing to share with me, via email if needs be?

It would be a massive help with my current Starling/Ombudsman case that could see me get about 12k back!

bwastook
6 måneder siden

Har du en kontaktadresse til E0000348?

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I raised it as a complaint. A.I wrote me a lovely email to send. Strange how I've not heard from them yet tho.

It was disputing the transactions on affect tho.

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AI emails most likely will be detected as AI and will be sent straight to the spam folder or they won't delivered at all. Don't be so lazy

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