My concern about Pragmatic Play (side 11)

Jeg gad faktisk ikke skrive mere om det, men her er endnu et indlæg om den oplevelse jeg desværre har haft de sidste tre dage. I årevis har jeg stort set kun spillet de to spil: Big Bass Bonanza og Christmas. Alene i går fik jeg gratis spins på dem begge mindst 20 gange for 2 euro og 3 euro. Hver gang, men hver gang kom den første lystfisker efter 7. spin. Det var lige meget, om jeg havde 15 eller 10 gratis spins. Hver gang efter det 7. spin. Hver gang vandt jeg mindre end 100 euro. På Big Bass Halloween omkring 10 gange for 1,50 og 1,80, ikke en gang over 100 euro. På Tropicana 5 gange for 2,40, 5 gange for 1,20 og 5 gange for 0,96 euro, ikke en gang over 50 euro. Kun én gang, ud af alle de gratis spins ovenfor og andre mindst 20-25 på indsatser på 1 euro, 1,20 osv., kom jeg til tredje runde og vandt 87 euro. Skal det være tilfældigt? Gratis spins til en værdi af over 10.000 euro med mere end 80 % på lommen og den samme billige gevinst og præcis den samme proces? Nej, det har intet med tilfældighed at gøre. Det er bare en meget smart spiludbyder, der sætter alt op for hver af os afhængigt af typen af spil. På 2 år har jeg haft tusindvis af gratis spins og ikke en eneste gang, ikke engang den store fisk, har vundet 2000x. Hver gang har jeg vundet 10x, 12x eller dårligere. I 50 gratis spins måske når jeg har vundet 200 mere end den typiske gevinst. Og der er et par andre, der skriver her, at det har noget med held at gøre? Hvordan er det muligt, at jeg efter 1 eller 2 spin ved præcis, hvordan resten vil gå? Fordi det har med held eller tilfældighed at gøre? Selvfølgelig ikke, for alle har en tankegang, der ved, at efter et par små gevinster vil vi fortsætte med at spille og måske betale mere. Så hvis nogen skriver her at det er et hasardspil osv. så er de bestemt ikke helt ærlige. tak skal du have

En anden tilføjelse: I går fik jeg for omkring 400 euro i indskud gratis spins på Big Bass Bonanza og Christmas flere gange, en gang var det 150 euro, ellers alle under 50. Alle pengene er selvfølgelig væk. Fra i går aftes til for nylig indsatte jeg 600 euro, 2 x gratis spins på 1 euro. Selvfølgelig var jeg begge gange den første lystfisker efter det 7. spin og vandt 28 euro. Hvem vil ellers sige, at casino cashwin.com og pragmatic ikke er svindlere? Spil til en værdi af over 30.000 euro på 7 dage og det samme hver gang.

I guess they started reading our posts on casino guru. The series of wins over the last two weeks was something incredible and indescribable. From deposits totaling approximately EUR 400, the total winnings amount to over EUR 10,000. I lost everything to zero, because when you want to keep playing and build balance, the casino will definitely tell you no and take away all your funds. It has always been so and will be so forever. I don't want to favor any casino, but at Betunlim I had the most epic wins of my life. Try to play from Saturday to Sunday. Then a lot of people play and the chances for epic hits are the highest, in my opinion.

I don't understand one thing. If you have this opinion and you are not doing well and you think that pragmatic is a bad provider and you don't get free spins or it's only once in a while, or even if you do get it, it always pays so little, why do you keep playing on these slots ? I have a feeling that you are going against yourself and it makes absolutely no sense to lose money on something that has somehow been verified by your own judgement. 

I guess it's the first time I see that you have such screenshots and I'm sure glad if you managed to win. The other side of the coin is that you probably lost it all back, which is pretty sad, because you don't have to win that kind of money in a casino. 

But I'm pleased that it's not just about how bad everything is.

HELLO, I AM WRITTEN TO YOU FROM TURKEY. FIRST, I APOLOGIZE FOR MY ENGLISH. I ALSO THINK THE PRAGMATIC GAMES ARE SERIOUSLY FOOLED ME NOW. I BOUGHT 11 FREE HAND SPINS AND LOST 11 HANDS IN A ROW. I THINK THE GAMES WERE INTERFERED AND MANIPULATED. THE SITES I PLAY ON ARE BETNANO AND BETSAT IN TURKEY. THERE ARE INTERVENTIONS IN BOTH SITES. IF YOU LOOK AT THE GAME HISTORY ADDRESSES, THE ADDRESS OF ONE IS BETSUDIOS, BASED IN MALTA, AND THE ADDRESS OF ONE IS HIS OWN SERVERS. AS MUCH AS I UNDERSTAND, THESE SERVERS ARE CHEATING WITH 3RD PARTY SOFTWARE. I AM ADDING THE SCREENSHOTS.THIS CANNOT BE CALLED LUCK. I BUY 19 GAMES ON THE BETSAT SITE, 3 GAMES A SMALL WIN, 16 GAMES A FULL LOSS. I BUY 11 GAMES ON THE BETNANO SITE, ALL 11 GAMES ARE LOST. SOMEONE PROVE TO ME THAT THIS IS NORMAL. THIS IS NOT NORMAL IT IS A SCAM

PLEASE DONT GAMBLE ANYONE. GAMBLING IS FINANCIAL RUIN. I HATE GAMBLING SO MUCH. STAKE CASINO AND PRAGMATIC PLAY ARE BIG FRAUDS. YESTERDAY I LOST 82$ IN PRAGMATIC PLAY WITH NO BONUS.

Som du siger, det er gambling, så du har brug for held. Du skal ikke spille dine vigtige penge væk, bare det du har tilbage, når du dyrker denne hobby.

De fleste pragmatiske spil er ret flygtige, hvilket gør det sværere at vinde der.

Volatile = honest way of scamming

Hobby leads to addiction

Addiction leads to financial ruin

Both of your posts sound like you have quite a deep opinion on how it works. Do you care to be more specific by chance?

I also know quite a good saying, though:

"Generalization undermines objectivity, and the absence of objectivity undermines the idea."

I bet we can delve into details, though I'll leave that to you. 🙏

Strong-minded people are, from my experience, perfectly suitable to have hobbies without this side effect.

I prefer not to tend to simplify everything into a fancy verse. Perhaps you have some live experience worth sharing. Do you, by any means, need some support?

Hmm, the player below you described it well, high volatility means that it is quite possible that you will have a lot of dead spins but if the game hits a big win, it is usually worth it. 

However, it is gambling and with it comes the risk of losing money. You definitely don't need to play with money you can't afford and you should only spend what you don't feel sorry for.

So even if you had a streak like that, it doesn't necessarily mean that the games are rigged. I've seen a lot of bonuses that were bought for like $1000 and got back $50. It's not unusual, so if you can't afford it, definitely don't spend money on playing slots. 

HELLO JARO, IT IS AN ABNORMAL SITUATION FOR ALL 11 PURCHASED GAMES TO MAKE A LOSS. I THINK IT IS AGAINST THE RTP OF THE GAME. I HAVE NEVER SEEN 11 HANDS IN A SEASON WINNER. IF THE GAME IS PAST, 11 PURCHASES AND 11 GAMES ARE LOST IN A ROW. I DON'T THINK THIS MAKE LOGICAL. I WILL REPORT THIS SITUATION TO THE LICENSING COMPANY AND IGAMING. THIS CAN NEVER BE THE GAME'S WRITTEN RTP AND RETURN TO PLAYER RATE

DID YOU SEE THE ONE WHO WON 11 GAMES IN A Row, BROTHER? NO BUT I LOSED 11 GAMES IN A ROW. IF YOU PLAY THIS GAME, HAVE YOU EVER LOST 11 GAMES IN A ROW, EVEN IF YOU MAKE A PROFIT ONCE AGAIN? THERE IS NO VARIATION LIKE THIS, IT IS NOT EARNING HARD, IT IS BEING DECEIVED.

If you are going to report it then feel free to let me know what result you got and what they told you. 

As for whether I saw someone who won in 11 bonuses, I can't say exactly, but I know that I saw a player who had a profit from 15 bonuses to 10 a couple of times, which is quite a lot. But a week later he had 10 bonuses and he was minus on all of them, so like I said it's gambling. Sometimes you get it right and sometimes it's like you had it. 

It's certainly not pleasant but if you're going to play you have to be prepared for that scenario. 🤷‍♂️😕

HELLO, I COMPLAINED WITH ONE OF THESE SITES TO THE TER WHO LICENSED THE SITE. THEY SENT AN EMAIL THAT PRAGMATIC PLAY DETERMINES THE RTP RATES OF THE BETTING SITE WITH THEIR GAME HISTORIES AND SHARED MY GAME DATA. IT IS ACTUALLY PROOF OF HOW THEY INTERVENE IN THESE GAMES. THEY HAVE A PANEL AND THERE ARE YOUR EARNING STATISTICS, BUT I NEVER CRIED ABOUT SUCH WINNINGS IN THE GATE OF 1000 GAME THAT HE SHARED. I SENT AN E-MAIL TO THE LICENSING COMPANY THAT THIS IS EVIDENCE AND I AM SENDING THEIR RESPONSE TO YOU.

 Dear Executive,

You have not provided Curaçao eGaming ("CEG") and/or the Player with an update regarding this complaint within seven days of the previous notice. This means that the operator is now in material breach of the IP-agreement with CEG. The operator is now granted three more working days before CEG shall make a preliminary ruling in this matter. This could mean that CEG may decide in favour of the Player.

Thanks for forwarding me the answer. When did it happen ? At the time you posted here ? I see that the casino probably has a few more days to reply to you and I'm curious how this will all end. Definitely let me know if anything changes, I'm quite interested.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. 🤞

I dag spillede jeg Big Bass Bonanza og Christmas igen på Cashwin.com. 11 gange for 1 euro gratis spins med en gevinst på 146 euro, ellers alle de andre under 40 euro.

5 gange på 2 euro med en maksimal gevinst på 76 euro.

1 gang på 1.20 4 scatters med 2 runder 27 euro.

Alle andre gratis spins på 80 og 90 cent fungerede på nøjagtig samme måde.

Og der er faktisk stadig folk, der siger, at det er et hasardspil, og Pragmatic Play har et juridisk tilfældigt princip kørende.

De har ingenting!

Ellers kan man faktisk forklare sådan noget. En gang, to gange, men jeg forstår det ikke 1000 gange.