Kære spiller, efter at have læst dine indlæg og e-mails fra casinoet, ser det ud til, at der ikke er nogen grund til at fremføre sagen.
Ifølge oplysningerne fra casinoet, og bekræftet af de beviser, du har fremlagt, er her den omtrentlige tidslinje for, hvad der er sket:
- 26/05 har du sendt en anmodning om selvudelukkelse fra en e-mail, der ikke var knyttet til din Kingmaker-konto, uden andre personlige oplysninger end dit navn.
- samme dag har du indsat og spillet penge væk
- Casinoet fulgte op, og den 27/05 har du angivet kontooplysninger for at få det lukket
- Kontoen er blevet lukket inden for 24 timer i henhold til casinoets erklæring om ansvarligt spil
- Der blev ikke foretaget yderligere indbetalinger efter den d. 26/05, og der var ingen saldo på tidspunktet for kontolukningen d. 27/05
Selv hvis vi kunne argumentere for, at du har givet casinoet dit fulde navn, og de kunne finde dig på den måde, har du indbetalt og tabt alle pengene samme dag, hvilket stadig ville være inden for de første 24 timer, hvor kontoen skal lukkes. Da der i det mindste skal placeres et vist ansvar hos spillerne af hensyn til gennemsigtighed og fair play, var alt, hvad du har indbetalt, spillet og tabt i denne periode, dit ansvar og kan ikke refunderes. Jeg troede, at casinoet annullerede din kontosaldo, hvilket jeg ville kæmpe for at få refunderet til dig, men de har bekræftet, at der ikke var nogen saldo på din konto, da den blev lukket. Medmindre du kan fremlægge andre beviser, som jeg ikke er bekendt med, vil denne klage derfor blive afvist.
Også lidt ekstra information vedrørende dit tidligere indlæg:
Jeg blev udelukket fra Tyskland via OASIS-selvudelukkelse osv.
Desværre gælder OASIS-forbuddet kun for online casinoer, der er licenseret af den tyske spillemyndighed. Kingmaker er licenseret af Anjouan Gaming, så OASIS gælder ikke her. Desværre. Men hvis du går til casinoets hjemmeside og klikker på Anjouan-valideringslogoet i sidefoden, bliver du ført til deres licensside. Hvis du ruller ned, er der en knap til at blive selvudelukket. Tag et kig, og se om det vil være nyttigt i fremtiden.
Nu har jeg allerede spillet på Jackpotfrenzy Casino før og skrev en e-mail, hvor jeg skrev, at jeg var ludomani, og at de burde lukke min konto. Samme e-mail, samme telefonnummer, samme adresse.
Indtil videre ser det ud til, at Kingmaker gjorde det samme og blokerede din konto inden for 24 timer efter at have løst den oprindelige forvirring. Trods den samme ejer mener jeg, at disse casinoer drives af forskellige virksomheder (kan dog ikke bekræfte det, og det er blot min personlige mening), og der står intet sted på deres hjemmesider, at udelukkelse fra ét casino garanterer udelukkelse fra alle de andre. Det ville være ideelt, men indtil videre lever vi ikke i den ideelle verden. Måske engang i fremtiden.
Jeg så, at andre spillere med de samme krav også kunne få hjælp.
Ja, i nogle tilfælde tager det lang tid for casinoer at lukke kontoen - eller de annullerer saldoen, når de gør det. I disse tilfælde kan vi forhandle om en tilbagebetaling af pengene. Men medmindre du kan fremlægge yderligere beviser, der ville ændre alt, er jeg bange for, at vi ikke kan gøre meget i din sag, da casinoet blokerede dig inden for deres tidsfrist, ikke annullerede nogen saldo, og den eneste indbetaling er foretaget inden for de 24 timer, der ikke kan refunderes.
Hvis du har yderligere spørgsmål eller beviser, er du velkommen til at give dem her. Hvis ikke, vil jeg afvise denne sag, hvis der ikke er noget at drøfte yderligere.
Dear player, after reading through your posts and e-mails provided by the casino, it seems like there is no case to be had.
According to the information from the casino and that being confirmed by the evidence you have provided, here is the rough timeline of what has happened:
- 26/05 you have sent a self-exclusion request from an e-mail that was not connected to your account in Kingmaker, with no personal details other than your name provided
- on that same day you have deposited and gambled away money
- casino followed up and on 27/05 you have provided account details to get it closed
- the account has been closed within 24 hours as per the casino's responsible gambling page statement
- no further deposits were made after the one on 26/05 and there was no balance at the time of the account closure on 27/05
Even if we could argue that you have given the casino your full name and they could find you that way, you have deposited and lost all the money on the same day, which would be still within the initial 24 hours during which the account needs to be closed. Since at least some responsibility needs to be placed on the players for the sake of transparency and fiar play, anything you have deposited, gambled and lost during this period was on you and is non-refundable. I thought the casino voided your account balance, which I would fight to get refunded back to you, but they have confirmed there was no balance in your account when being closed. Hence, unless you can provide some other evidence I am not aware of, this complaint will be rejected.
Also some extra information regarding your previous post:
I was banned from Germany via OASIS self-exclusion, etc.
Unfortunately, OASIS ban only applies to the online casinos licensed by German gambling authority. Kingmaker is licensed by Anjouan Gaming, so OASIS does not apply here. Sadly. However, if you go to the caisno's website and click the Anjouan validator logo at the footer, you will be taken into their license page ad if you scroll down, there is a button to get self-excluded. Have a look and see if that will be helpful in the future.
Now, I've already played at Jackpotfrenzy Casino before and wrote an email saying I'm a gambling addict and that they should close my account. Same email, same phone number, same address.
So far it seems that Kingmaker did the same and banned your account within 24 hours after clearing up the initial confusion. Despite the same owner, I believe these casinos are operated by different companies (can't confirm though and this is just my personal opinion) and nowhere on their websites is written that exclusion in one casino guarantees exclusion in all the others. That would be ideal, but so far we are not living in the ideal world. Maybe some time in the future.
I saw that other players with the same requirements were also able to be helped.
Yes, in some cases casinos takes long time before closing the account - or they void balance upon doing so. In those cases we can negotiate a return of the funds. However, unless you can provide some additional evidence that would change everything, I am afraid we won't be able to do much in your case, as the casino blocked you within their time limit, did not void any balance and the only deposit made has happened during the 24 hours that are non-refundable.
If you have further questions or evidence, please feel free to provide them here. If not, I will reject this case if there is nothing to discuss further.
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