I had a successful chargeback for Webmosac through Monzo a while back, going down the goods not received route. Was only about £100 though
Ah nice one, thanks for confirming.
Yeah I've got circa 50 transactions with this merchant, given how much of a ballache Monzo are I'm going to try and phone up and get someone specifically lined up to process them as a batch for me. They'll probably tell me to fuck off but will see how it goes 😂
I’ve been following this thread for a long time. What are the possible consequences of a chargeback when the goods (or service) weren’t delivered? A friend of mine actually got almost all his money back. Isn’t it kind of careless from the casinos to still allow Mastercard deposits like that? I’m also wondering the same thing when it comes to Bwin – they’re being forced to pay millions for offering gambling services in countries where it’s illegal, yet they keep doing it!
I’ve been following this thread for a long time. What are the possible consequences of a chargeback when the goods (or service) weren’t delivered? A friend of mine actually got almost all his money back. Isn’t it kind of careless from the casinos to still allow Mastercard deposits like that? I’m also wondering the same thing when it comes to Bwin – they’re being forced to pay millions for offering gambling services in countries where it’s illegal, yet they keep doing it!
Its not careless - it is direct fraud. They manage to get so many players from big markets like the UK/EU and the majority will not end in chargebacks so they continue. Until Mastercard/VISA remove the services and stop the casinos themselves being able to use these methods then it's going to continue.
Because that is how Mastercard set their terms for chargebacks, annoyingly.
I have had this problem with my bank. I disputed a load of transactions as goods not received, but the bank came bank to me and said that they had investigated the transactions and decided they were gambling payments. In order to do this, they must either track the transactions from us > 3rd party merchant > casino or as I supect to be the case, they are checking in on this thread, trustpilot and sharing data.
Which, if that is the case, means they are more than capable of blocking the transactions or recouping our money by charging back as good not received.
However, Mastercard are quite clear that transactions for gambling are not eligble for chargebacks unless the money doesn't arrive in your account.
This is where Mastercard have to be clear and kind of are in their T&Cs - gambling is only legible under code 7995. Pretty sure they have stated this as well at one point. There is a definite misinterpretation by these ebanks on this one.
Du kunne have sparet dig selv besværet
Så vidt jeg har set, ved banken dette, men de kan ikke bevise, at det er til betalinger i forbindelse med hasardspil.
Først afviste Revolut mine indsigelser, fordi de kom fra spilleplatforme. Efter megen insisteren gav de mig MCC'erne, og ingen af dem var til spil. Så ændrede versionen sig til at sige, at kortplatformen ikke udelukkende var baseret på MCC'en.
De har nu genåbnet tvisten og er i gang med at analysere den.
Jeg tror, den bedste løsning er at sige, at du ville foretage en betaling til et casino, men at en anden forhandler har opkrævet betaling fra dig, og at du ikke ved, hvem det er, og at du ikke har modtaget noget fra dem.
Juridisk set skal de iværksætte tilbagebetalingen, fordi forhandleren ikke har MCC'en til spillet, uanset hvad de siger.
Good luck mate. They really are absolutely horrendous to deal with. Not sure if maybe it’s worth disputing one transaction from the merchant first, getting that accepted, and then using that as a precedent to get the rest accepted all at once? Wish id gone about it that way tbh.
What evidence are you going to give them?
Have you got information of these companies??
I've a situation with ....bet.com based in caracao, where I requested receipts and transaction statement for 2024. I was directed to their payment agent(AML tech solutions). They provided a transaction that had minimal bets in December amounting to e10. The payment agent said that was all my transactions in 2024. I deposited over €25k in 2024 and have provided my revolut statements to them. No response from payments agent or gambling company. The gambling company only give access to the last 30 days transactions in your account, which seems crazy. Revolut have refused to provide MMC either for any of the 40+ transactions. What is the best course of action?
Anyone had any dealings with Bilucky, or have any contact details for them or their payment processors?
I've a situation with ....bet.com based in caracao, where I requested receipts and transaction statement for 2024. I was directed to their payment agent(AML tech solutions). They provided a transaction that had minimal bets in December amounting to e10. The payment agent said that was all my transactions in 2024. I deposited over €25k in 2024 and have provided my revolut statements to them. No response from payments agent or gambling company. The gambling company only give access to the last 30 days transactions in your account, which seems crazy. Revolut have refused to provide MMC either for any of the 40+ transactions. What is the best course of action?
Læg mere pres på Revolut. I Spanien er de lovpligtige til at udlevere MCC'en. Det tog mig et stykke tid, men til sidst fortalte de mig det.
Brug ChatGPT til at skrive teksterne og fokuser på den juridiske forstand. I sidste ende vil de ende med at fortælle dig MCC'en.
Yeah, the convo I had with Starling was that because they had determined the final destination of the funds was intended as gambling, then the mcc code is irrelevant and the rule still applies.
Yeah, the convo I had with Starling was that because they had determined the final destination of the funds was intended as gambling, then the mcc code is irrelevant and the rule still applies.
Doesn't matter a jot mate - Mastercard rules dictate what is and isn't gambling and it's their network. By not allowing the disputes banks are actively involved in the laundering of money for criminal organisations.
Kan du give mig din e-mailadresse? Jeg er også fra Spanien. Lad os se om vi kan hjælpe hinanden. Tak.
Jeg tror, det er mere banken, der nægter at iværksætte en tilbageførsel, end Mastercard.
Banken forsøger at undgå tilbagebetalingen ved at sige, at det skyldes spil, og jeg er sikker på, at mange af os har sagt, at hovedideen var at indbetale på et casino eller lignende.
Men ifølge loven kommer opkrævningerne fra normale virksomheder, så ved at lægge et stort pres på dem eller rapportere, er jeg sikker på, at de ville være nødt til at iværksætte en tilbageførsel.
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Jeg tror, det er mere banken, der nægter at iværksætte en tilbageførsel, end Mastercard.
Banken forsøger at undgå tilbagebetalingen ved at sige, at det skyldes spil, og jeg er sikker på, at mange af os har sagt, at hovedideen var at indbetale på et casino eller lignende.
Men ifølge loven kommer opkrævningerne fra normale virksomheder, så ved at lægge et stort pres på dem eller rapportere, er jeg sikker på, at de ville være nødt til at iværksætte en tilbageførsel.
Hej kammerat,
Du har fuldstændig ret – banker blokerer ofte chargebacks og hævder, at det er gambling. Men sandheden er denne: disse er ikke rigtige gambling-sider; de er svindelplatforme, der lokker folk ind og derefter blokerer konti eller nægter at udbetale gevinster. Det er ikke gambling – det er svindel.
Det juridiske argument er solidt. De forhandlere, der behandler betalingerne, er ikke engang kodet som spillesider, og der blev ikke modtaget nogen varer eller tjenester. Dette passer perfekt som et tilfælde af bedrag eller manglende levering, hvilket er gyldigt grundlag for tilbageførsler i henhold til Visa- og Mastercard-reglerne.
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