Min erfaring med ReefSpins i løbet af de sidste par uger. Australske spillere bør læse dette, før de beslutter sig for, hvor mange penge de vil satse på dette websted.
Det er ikke bare et tilfælde, hvor nogen taber på spil og vil have sine penge tilbage.
Jeg accepterer ansvaret for de væddemål, jeg har placeret, og de penge, jeg rent faktisk har tabt. Jeg beder ikke ReefSpins om at refundere væddemål, jeg frivilligt har foretaget. Mit problem er, hvad der skete, da jeg havde en betydelig mængde penge på min konto, forsøgte at hæve dem og opdagede, hvor restriktiv min løbende udbetalingstilladelse faktisk var.
Jeg har spillet hos ReefSpins i næsten 3 år. Alene i august måned indbetalte jeg mere end $16.000 AUD. ReefSpins fremlagde senere tal, der viste omkring $16.330 i indbetalinger, $15.000 i udbetalinger og $1.165 i bonusser for august.
På det tidspunkt var jeg Snapper VIP. Min udbetalingskvote var $15.000 på rullende 30-dages basis med en grænse på $5.000 i 24 timer.
Jeg nåede et punkt, hvor jeg havde mere end 6.000 dollars i kontanter på min konto, men en stor del af min hævebeløb var allerede blevet brugt af tidligere hævninger. Jeg kunne ikke bare hæve min saldo. Jeg fik til sidst en tidsplan, der viste, at dele af min beløb ville blive tilgængelige i løbet af de følgende uger. Nogle beløb var kun 400 dollars, mens andre var 3.000 dollars, 500 dollars, 1.000 dollars og 2.400 dollars.
Så ja, pengene var teknisk set på min konto. Men jeg kunne faktisk ikke få adgang til dem inden for en rimelig tidsramme.
I bakspejlet burde jeg have forstået rolling limit bedre. Det accepterer jeg. Men der er en kæmpe forskel på at erkende det og at sige, at jeg simpelthen var en idiot, der tabte sine penge og nu giver casinoet skylden.
Jeg forsøgte aktivt at forstå, hvordan jeg kunne hæve mine penge. Jeg besluttede ikke bevidst at spille penge væk, som jeg frit kunne hæve. Jeg havde at gøre med et hævesystem, jeg ikke rigtigt forstod, før jeg allerede var i den situation.
Senere nåede jeg en endnu større kontantbeholdning på omkring $11.000, som igen ikke realistisk set kunne hæves under min tilgængelige kvote på det tidspunkt. Det blev i sidste ende også gennemspillet.
Men jeg tror også, at jeg mistede muligheden for at hæve penge, der lå der som kontanter, på grund af den måde, hævesystemet fungerede på, og manglen på klarhed omkring det.
I løbet af de sidste par uger er jeg endt med et tab på omkring 17.000 AUD.
Jeg kontaktede gentagne gange ReefSpins support i et forsøg på at få meningsfulde svar. Jeg fik at vide, at en VIP-vært ville kontakte mig, og det ville endda ske den følgende morgen. Den opfølgning skete aldrig.
Jeg blev ved med at forklare, at min klage ikke bare var at give mig mine penge tilbage. Jeg ville have en forklaring på, hvorfor jeg skulle fortsætte med at spille på en platform, hvor jeg kunne have tusindvis af dollars liggende i kontanter, men ikke med rimelighed kunne hæve dem, og hvorfor jeg skulle forventes at tage yderligere spillerisiko blot for at få adgang til penge, der allerede var der.
Jeg følte ikke, at jeg fik et meningsfuldt svar, og sagen blev til sidst lukket.
Efter alt, hvad der skete, bad jeg ReefSpins om en bonus, der tog min historik, VIP-status, indbetalinger og tab i betragtning. Jeg blev tilbudt en kontantbonus på $55 og senere en kontantbonus på $40.
De skylder mig ikke en bonus. Men efter næsten 3 års spil og betydelige indbetalinger, hvor jeg havde omkring $17.000 i udbetaling på et par uger og en forklaring på, hvor dårligt jeg følte, at situationen var blevet håndteret, føltes en bonus på $40 eller $55 som et spark i maven snarere end et meningsfuldt forsøg på at fastholde en langtidskunde.
For at være fair, så er ReefSpins ikke udelukkende dårlige. Jeg har haft gode oplevelser med deres spil, hjemmeside og indbetalinger, og jeg har modtaget udbetalinger med succes. En nylig udbetaling på $2.000 blev i sidste ende udbetalt, ligesom en anden udbetaling på $1.505. Jeg påstår ikke, at de er svindel, eller at de simpelthen nægter at betale kunder.
Min klage er meget mere specifik. Det er den måde, udbetalingsgrænserne, VIP-systemet og kundesupporten interagerer på, når en spiller har en betydelig kontantbeholdning.
Hvis en spiller kan have tusindvis af dollars stående i kontanter, men kun en brøkdel rent faktisk er tilgængelig til udbetaling på grund af en rullende rabat, mener jeg, at det skal gøres yderst klart, før de når den position.
Australske spillere bør forstå præcis, hvordan deres udbetalingskvote fungerer, før de sætter seriøst mange penge ind via ReefSpins. Find ud af, om det er dagligt, 24 timer i døgnet, månedligt eller løbende, hvordan tidligere udbetalinger påvirker det, og hvad der sker, hvis din kontantsaldo bliver betydeligt højere end din tilgængelige udbetalingskvote.
Jeg forventede gennemsigtighed, ordentlig VIP-support, meningsfuld kommunikation og ansvarlighed, når jeg rejste et alvorligt problem.
I stedet, efter næsten 3 års loyalitet og betydelige indbetalinger, følte jeg mig som en værdifuld kunde, der var overladt til sig selv, da tingene gik galt.
Tre års loyalitet bør ikke slutte med en bonus på 40 dollars og en lukket supportsamtale.
My experience with ReefSpins over the past few weeks. Australian players should read this before deciding how much money they want to put through this site.
This is not simply a case of someone losing gambling and wanting their money back.
I accept responsibility for the bets I placed and the money I genuinely lost. I am not asking ReefSpins to refund bets I willingly made. My issue is what happened when I had substantial cash sitting in my account, tried to withdraw it and discovered how restrictive my rolling withdrawal allowance actually was.
I have played with ReefSpins for almost 3 years. August alone involved more than $16,000 AUD in deposits. ReefSpins later provided figures showing around $16,330 in deposits, $15,000 in withdrawals and $1,165 in bonuses for August.
At the time I was a Snapper VIP. My withdrawal allowance was $15,000 on a rolling 30 day basis with a $5,000 24 hour limit.
I reached a point where I had more than $6,000 in cash sitting in my account but much of my withdrawal allowance had already been used by previous withdrawals. I could not simply withdraw my balance. I was eventually given a schedule showing portions of my allowance becoming available over the following weeks. Some amounts were only $400 while others were $3,000, $500, $1,000 and $2,400.
So yes, the money was technically in my account. But I could not actually access it within a reasonable timeframe.
In hindsight I should have understood the rolling limit better. I accept that. But there is a huge difference between acknowledging that and saying I was simply an idiot who lost his money and is now blaming the casino.
I was actively trying to understand how I could withdraw my cash. I was not knowingly deciding to gamble away money that I could freely withdraw. I was dealing with a withdrawal system I did not properly understand until I was already in that position.
I later reached an even larger cash balance of around $11,000 which again was not realistically withdrawable under my available allowance at the time. That was ultimately played through as well.
But I also believe I lost the opportunity to withdraw money that was sitting there as cash because of the way the withdrawal system operated and the lack of clarity around it.
Over roughly the last couple of weeks I ended up around $17,000 AUD down.
I repeatedly contacted ReefSpins support trying to get meaningful answers. I was told a VIP host would contact me and was even told it would happen the following morning. That follow up never happened.
I kept explaining that my complaint was not simply give me my money back. I wanted an explanation as to why I should continue playing on a platform where I could have thousands of dollars sitting in cash but could not reasonably withdraw it and why I should be expected to take further gambling risk simply to access money that was already there.
I did not feel I received a meaningful answer and the matter was eventually closed.
After everything that happened I asked ReefSpins for a bonus considering my history, VIP status, deposits and losses. I was offered a $55 cash bonus and later a $40 cash bonus.
They do not owe me a bonus. But after almost 3 years of playing and substantial deposits, being around $17,000 down in a couple of weeks and explaining how badly I felt the situation had been handled, a $40 or $55 bonus felt like a kick in the guts rather than any meaningful attempt to retain a long term customer.
To be fair ReefSpins is not all bad. I have had good experiences with their games, website and deposits and I have successfully received withdrawals. A recent $2,000 withdrawal was ultimately paid as was another $1,505 withdrawal. I am not claiming they are a scam or that they simply refuse to pay customers.
My complaint is much more specific. It is the way the withdrawal limits, VIP system and customer support interact when a player has a substantial cash balance.
If a player can have thousands of dollars sitting in cash but only a fraction actually available to withdraw because of a rolling allowance, I believe that needs to be made extremely clear before they reach that position.
Australian players should understand exactly how their withdrawal allowance works before putting serious money through ReefSpins. Find out whether it is daily, 24 hour, monthly or rolling, how previous withdrawals affect it and what happens if your cash balance becomes significantly higher than your available withdrawal allowance.
I expected transparency, proper VIP support, meaningful communication and accountability when I raised a serious issue.
Instead after almost 3 years of loyalty and substantial deposits I was left feeling like a high value customer who was on his own when things went wrong.
Three years of loyalty should not end with a $40 bonus and a closed support conversation.