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Question about Gambling websites with Curaçao license using incorrect Merchant Category code (side 323)

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jbias18
2 dage siden

I reckon its down to what bank it is on both fronts raising and recovery

paulmcewan05
2 dage siden

What dispute code is that under Mastercard though - they don’t have incorrect MCC

n4t7wsrz2w
2 dage siden

Hi there I do not know the bank has raised them all for me

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beaty1989
2 dage siden

Yes looks like it

jbias18
2 dage siden

Thank you. If a manager does call me which I am told they are supposed to be, I will find out why a couple had said I was held liable & didn't even get a chance to fight them & others to the same merchant has sent me information as to what evidence the merchant has. No I haven't disputed anything on pay op but they were bank transfers so I won't be able to. Have contacted pay op but they just state the merchants have said the funds have been used & basically nothing to do with them. Don't think il ever see that money again. Thanks for your help with it all. Really appreciate

2 dage siden

Tell your bank about the bank transfer, new rules are now in place after October 7th that they should refund you if you were scammed https://www.moneyhelper.org.uk/en/blog/scams-and-fraud/how-to-get-a-refund-for-bank-transfer-scams


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jbias18
2 dage siden

Again take a read of that but say you were promised/tricked into goods and you have not received them.

2 dage siden

This was the nonsense I got from Revolut:


ummary of events and explanation

First and foremost, I would like to thank you for taking the time to bring your concerns to our attention, so I can address and clarify them for you.In your complaint, you expressed dissatisfaction regarding a card payment of 990.00 GBP being charged to your Revolut account, as you indicated a person under 18 used your card at the casino. You wish us to further investigate, and refund you the amount lost.

You contacted our Customer Support via the in-app chat on the 4th of December 2024, expressing your concerns regarding the aforementioned issue. The agent assisting you explained that payments to gambling merchants are not eligible for chargeback disputes. However, you were not satisfied with the support you received and decided to raise a formal complaint.

Having looked into your case, I would like to provide you with a comprehensive explanation on the issue you raised in your formal complaint. Please find below the details of the transaction in question for which you have raised a chargeback with us:

 The transaction in question was performed with the Master Card, ending in *1570:

Date and Time Description Amount State 28/10/2024 21:49:29 Spaympf*skinsonly 990.00 GBP Completed

One thing to keep in mind regarding the chargeback process in general, is that it is framed by a very detailed and consistent set of rules which encompass every possible scenario relating to card transactions. These rules are dictated by the card schemes, and both merchants and financial institutions like Revolut are obliged to adhere to them.

Revolut’s primary goal when handling such requests is to protect our customers. Whatever may have happened with your card transactions, it is in our best interest to have it resolved in a way that will benefit you, but at the same time we must ensure that the aforementioned card scheme guidelines are followed during this process.

You can find more information about the chargeback process in our Help Centre article:[ Dispute process and timelines | Revolut United Kingdom |https://help.revolut.com/help/card-payments-withdrawals/refunds/how-does-the-chargeback-process-work/]. 

The process includes two kinds of claim, which are:

Fraud Chargeback: applicable in cases where a transaction was not performed with your authorization, and the details had not been shared with the merchant in question. Therefore, our Chargeback Team needs to verify if the conditions for Fraud Chargeback claims are met.

Dispute Chargeback: applicable for situations where, for example, goods or services were not provided, duplicate or multiple charges for the same purchase, subscription fee was charged after the customer has cancelled it. In such cases, our Chargeback Team gathers the information proving your case and presents it to the merchant and the card scheme, where, upon developments of the case, the decision is made.

Your case in specific was a dispute Chargeback, and the case was handled accordingly.

On the 4th November 2024, our chargeback team reviewed your dispute claim for the transaction performed, and the case was rejected on the same day and in relation to that, you received the chargeback negative outcome of the case via email.

When we examined the aforementioned transaction, we were able to confirm that it had been carried out with a genuine merchant who offers specific services. Therefore, the service that the merchant had to offer and provided through Revolut was in itself effective. This indicates that, despite the possibility of what may have occurred after the consumer received the services, the elaborate scam occurred after the transaction and not during the purchase process. Taking the above into consideration, Revolut is therefore compelled to reject your chargeback request because it is not considered as valid under the card scheme rules.

Our view

In light of my findings above, I can confirm that the chargeback claim was rejected in accordance with the aforementioned Master card scheme, therefore I have decided not to uphold your complaint.

Be that as it may, please allow me to clarify that, by not upholding your complaint, I am not dismissing your negative experience. It simply means that, from an objective point of view and to the best of my knowledge, Revolut has not acted unfairly on this occasion.

paulmcewan05
2 dage siden

Off to FOS then? Revolut appear to be terrible at these chargebacks

2 dage siden

Yes mate I have already sent the 1st one to FOS but Revolut keep coming back with the same one transaction and completely different info story ? no reply still to the 2nd complaint its a joke im sure to get something for the botched complaints anyway ! the FOS suits me 😏 I think I will give up chasing Revolut

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paulmcewan05
2 dage siden

It would be easier if they just chargeback and then see if there are any challenges which there won’t be certainly not on incorrect MCC

paulmcewan05
2 dage siden

Jeg fik præcis det samme svar før da jeg prøvede, de lader ikke til at være ligeglade desværre.


Har meldt dem til alle de steder der går, håber du gør det samme.


Føler at alle de svar du får fra dem er copy/paste, og så føler de at de er færdige med sagen.


Jeg sendte et brev til deres bank i Litauen, som de henviser til i alle disse e-mails, de sendte os, og gæt hvad?


Brevet blev returneret til mig efter flere uger mærket "ikke hævdet"


Så de har fuldstændig ignoreret min sag.

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jbias18
2 dage siden

I know mate but I see how hard it is for others now and its sad ! Revolut obv work alongside these sites as they are taking the p**s ! The site had Revolut as a payment option !

Lucid_1337
2 dage siden

Ok yes it is terrible I never even said that is what happened ! I have replied back copying in the FOS I sent 3 emails and have now backed off as not wanting to swamp the FOS

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jbias18
2 dage siden

Mine were before this date 😩 absolutely gutted

loulou123
2 dage siden

Still worth raising it - Before 7 October there was a voluntary code for banks and payment providers. This meant that there was no mandatory requirement for banks to refund victims of APP fraud. 

What’s the worse they say no? I would see what it is allegedly they sell and say you wanted to purchase they said bank transfer and nothing arrived.

jbias18
2 dage siden

This is where this is hard. I didn't actually think about this as I don't understand a lot about it but Payop openly let you deposit to casinos. When I deposited, I always got an email to state where my money went so I wouldn't even be able to fight it. I don't understand though as the casinos in question I didn't think could legally accept uk players as they hold no uk gambling license so I don't understand how they can legally do this. This is my biggest one & would be life changing for me to be able to get my money but this is obviously the one I wouldn't be able to fight either. They don't disguise any payments so it's strange how they can do it & get away with it.

loulou123
2 dage siden

@Paul any experience with PAYOP and their terms saying cannot be used for gambling?

jbias18
2 dage siden

I have £8000 worth ive been told its a waste of time contacting them and the bank said they cannot do chargebacks on money transfers when they did the last lot of my chargebacks

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