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Casino.guru's complaint services are a complete joke. You can forget about them solving anything you can't solve yourself. I have to say that I really liked this site and over time I developed trust in it. This turned out to be completely the opposite. They support the casinos, no doubt about it.


I filed a complaint about Slotmonster Casino.


I initially had an account with Slotmonster, played, and lost a lot. Then I opened an account on Instantcasino, Slotmonster's sister site. I also played there and lost a lot. I wrote an email stating that I was addicted to gambling and explained the negative impact gambling had on my life. I ASKED THE CASINO TO CLOSE MY ACCOUNT PERMANENTLY ON INSTAWIN AND ALL SISTER SITES. I then received an email that the accounts were closed. BUT the next day, I could still open my account on Slotmonster and continue losing money. Those of us who have been playing at casinos for a few years KNOW that when you write to a casino saying you are addicted to gambling and ASK them to CLOSE your account on ALL their sister sites, that should be enough. That should be the end of the story and the accounts should be closed.


Apparently, Casino.guru doesn't think this is enough. Apparently, you have to write to every single casino within their group.


I noticed very early on that I had a case they didn't want to take. I mean, it took 1.5 weeks with a lot of questions that had already been answered.


I just want to say that I'm totally fine with it. The money is lost anyway. But for those of you thinking about filing a complaint through this site, you're just wasting your time. I will never visit this site again. I'll copy how I wrote to the casino and how I should have written according to Casino.guru.


Here is how i wrote.

Hello friends!

I would like to ask you to close my account with you and all your sister sites.

I am a gambling addict and have been playing casino games since 2010. Along the way, I have not only lost over 300k euros, but I have also lost friends, family, children, and everything that matters. I gamble not to win money but due to my addiction. Even if I won a million, I would still keep gambling. I lost myself a long time ago.

Could you please close my account? Thank you.

Thank you for reading. Best regards.




jag skulle vilja tacka casino.guru för min tid här. Jag vill också gärna att ni raderar mitt konto.


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Denne adfærd hos curaco casinoer inden for ansvarligt spil er uforståelig, og jeg er fuldstændig enig med dig i, at når du beder om at blokere søstersider, burde dette være nok. Efter min mening bør casinoguru også tage dette mere seriøst, hvis spilleren anmoder om blokering af søstersider, skal det også indstilles.

Curaco casinoer og casinoguru retfærdiggør dog, at curaco casinoer og søstersider opererer med en separat licens, dette er en komplet løgn. Alle søstersider har samme licens, samme medarbejdere, samme ledelse, samme postkasse. De har netop fundet et hul til at tage flere penge fra problemgamblere, selvom de skriger og beder om hjælp.

Jeg har min egen personlige erfaring med dette, jeg bad curaco casino om også at blokere søstersiden, jeg endte på søstersiden og min konto blev låst, jeg spurgte hvorfor kontoen blev låst? Jeg fik svaret "fordi du bad vores søsterside om at blokere dig fra alle vores kasinoer på grund af et spilleproblem" Jeg sagde tydeligt, hvem er din søsterside" kundeservice tog lang tid om at svare, og jeg fik svaret "vi ikke 't have søstersider, din spillekonto er åben" Jeg var forvirret, fordi de virkelig har søstersider, og de samarbejder tæt, og blokeringsmeddelelsen nåede dem, indtil de indså, at de kunne få penge fra mig. Uforståeligt.

det mest sørgelige ved dette er, at casinoguruen tager meget let på dette. Hver af os ved, at vi spillere aldrig kommer i kontakt med curacos licensmyndighed endsige spillerbeskyttelse/sikkerhed i vores problemer. Kasinoet vinder altid.

lad os også nævne det faktum, at der i brugsbetingelserne for hvert curaco casino nævnes, at vi kan annullere alle dine indbetalinger og gevinster "du må ikke registrere dig, hvis du er ludoman"

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Glamors12
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Jeg ved også af erfaring efter mange mange års gambling, at hvis jeg havde vundet mere, end jeg satte ind, ville jeg ikke have fået pengene ud. Winwin til kasinoet. Meget skuffet over denne "sag lukket", men når noget lyder for godt til at være sandt, er det det.

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Jeg har intet personligt imod casinoguruen, det eneste jeg kunne tænke mig ville være casinoguruens holdning til ansvarligt spil på curaco casinoer. Når en klage er løst til fordel for spilleren, hvor spilleren har anmodet om blokering af søstersider, vil resultaterne helt sikkert også begynde at blive set i andre casinogrupper, og de vil begynde at implementere spillernes anmodninger.

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Casino.guru's complaint services are a complete joke. You can forget about them solving anything you can't solve yourself. I have to say that I really liked this site and over time I developed trust in it. This turned out to be completely the opposite. They support the casinos, no doubt about it.


I filed a complaint about Slotmonster Casino.


I initially had an account with Slotmonster, played, and lost a lot. Then I opened an account on Instantcasino, Slotmonster's sister site. I also played there and lost a lot. I wrote an email stating that I was addicted to gambling and explained the negative impact gambling had on my life. I ASKED THE CASINO TO CLOSE MY ACCOUNT PERMANENTLY ON INSTAWIN AND ALL SISTER SITES. I then received an email that the accounts were closed. BUT the next day, I could still open my account on Slotmonster and continue losing money. Those of us who have been playing at casinos for a few years KNOW that when you write to a casino saying you are addicted to gambling and ASK them to CLOSE your account on ALL their sister sites, that should be enough. That should be the end of the story and the accounts should be closed.


Apparently, Casino.guru doesn't think this is enough. Apparently, you have to write to every single casino within their group.


I noticed very early on that I had a case they didn't want to take. I mean, it took 1.5 weeks with a lot of questions that had already been answered.


I just want to say that I'm totally fine with it. The money is lost anyway. But for those of you thinking about filing a complaint through this site, you're just wasting your time. I will never visit this site again. I'll copy how I wrote to the casino and how I should have written according to Casino.guru.


Here is how i wrote.

Hello friends!

I would like to ask you to close my account with you and all your sister sites.

I am a gambling addict and have been playing casino games since 2010. Along the way, I have not only lost over 300k euros, but I have also lost friends, family, children, and everything that matters. I gamble not to win money but due to my addiction. Even if I won a million, I would still keep gambling. I lost myself a long time ago.

Could you please close my account? Thank you.

Thank you for reading. Best regards.




jag skulle vilja tacka casino.guru för min tid här. Jag vill också gärna att ni raderar mitt konto.


2 måneder siden

I would say that Kristina has explained to you what the conditions are and how it works here. So according to your complaint " We determined that the player did not directly inform SlotMonster Casino about his gambling problem before depositing." Also, it is always necessary to self-exclude at every casino unless it is stated in the Terms and Conditions that if you do it at one casino it also applies to sister casinos. 

The second thing that struck me is that you talk about closing the account. That's different than self-exclusion. 

After all, if you close your account, in some casinos it's not hard at all to open a new one just by changing your email. 

So in the future I would definitely recommend to stick to doing it right and always find out how self-exclusion works because it's not the same in every casino. 

Also, I'm sorry that you have this opinion towards us, because we appreciate every single player who is here and tries to communicate with other players about gambling or to help. 

I wish it would have turned out differently. 

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Denne adfærd hos curaco casinoer inden for ansvarligt spil er uforståelig, og jeg er fuldstændig enig med dig i, at når du beder om at blokere søstersider, burde dette være nok. Efter min mening bør casinoguru også tage dette mere seriøst, hvis spilleren anmoder om blokering af søstersider, skal det også indstilles.

Curaco casinoer og casinoguru retfærdiggør dog, at curaco casinoer og søstersider opererer med en separat licens, dette er en komplet løgn. Alle søstersider har samme licens, samme medarbejdere, samme ledelse, samme postkasse. De har netop fundet et hul til at tage flere penge fra problemgamblere, selvom de skriger og beder om hjælp.

Jeg har min egen personlige erfaring med dette, jeg bad curaco casino om også at blokere søstersiden, jeg endte på søstersiden og min konto blev låst, jeg spurgte hvorfor kontoen blev låst? Jeg fik svaret "fordi du bad vores søsterside om at blokere dig fra alle vores kasinoer på grund af et spilleproblem" Jeg sagde tydeligt, hvem er din søsterside" kundeservice tog lang tid om at svare, og jeg fik svaret "vi ikke 't have søstersider, din spillekonto er åben" Jeg var forvirret, fordi de virkelig har søstersider, og de samarbejder tæt, og blokeringsmeddelelsen nåede dem, indtil de indså, at de kunne få penge fra mig. Uforståeligt.

det mest sørgelige ved dette er, at casinoguruen tager meget let på dette. Hver af os ved, at vi spillere aldrig kommer i kontakt med curacos licensmyndighed endsige spillerbeskyttelse/sikkerhed i vores problemer. Kasinoet vinder altid.

lad os også nævne det faktum, at der i brugsbetingelserne for hvert curaco casino nævnes, at vi kan annullere alle dine indbetalinger og gevinster "du må ikke registrere dig, hvis du er ludoman"

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2 måneder siden

If the sister casinos ever lure you to them to play even if you are self-excluded, it certainly wouldn't be okay with us. I find your situation you described strange from the point of view that first the casino says you have a self-exclusion block on a sister site and then says it doesn't have any sister sites. That's pretty shady. 

Anyway, you gave a great example that it can work differently in every casino. There are many of them that won't accept self-exclusion unless you do it at that particular one. We don't think it's enough to write an email to one of them to self-exclude you at the other until it's made clear in the Terms and Conditions that it applies to sister sites as well. 

So it is important to also look at it from this point of view. We have experts who deal with cases like this on a daily basis, so it's definitely not something we take lightly, I can assure you. Responsible gambling is an important thing for us, but players also have to abide by some rules and we have procedures that we also follow. 

If you have had experience with casinos with this license and there have been more where there have been problems, then I don't see why you should continue to play there. 

That's probably what I would add.  

Jaro
2 måneder siden

Tak Jaro, min mening om casinoguru er god. Jeg ville bare gerne have, at curaco-kasinoerne var mere seriøse omkring ansvarligt spil. Men det er selvfølgelig min egen mening. Jeg har diskuteret denne "opinion" med en curacao advokat, fordi jeg kort kan fortælle dig om en af mine klagesager, som jeg vandt med hjælp fra en curacao advokat.

  1. Jeg sendte en e-mail til kasinoet, der opererer i Curacao, og bad om et spilforbud, og søsterkasinoer blev forbudt på grund af et spilproblem.
  2. kasinoet blokerede mig kun fra siden, hvor jeg bad om at blive blokeret, blokerede ikke søstersiderne på trods af min anmodning.
  3. kasinoet har længe hævdet, at de opererer under deres egen licens og ikke har nogen søstersider. (Som de altid siger), hvilket er en komplet Løgn, alle burde lære at kende og sætte sig mere ind i curaco casinoer, deres firma og søstersider. Én virksomhed driver flere sites, med samme licensnummer, samme virksomhed, samme ledelse. Dette er en søsterside. Dette var let bevist.
  4. Herefter begyndte kasinoet at opfinde nye ting, vi deler ikke den samme database. Selvom curaco casinoer har deres egne betingelser, kræver deres licens kommunikation med søstersider og spillerbeskyttelse.
  5. så hvis du beder søstersider om at blive blokeret, skal de også følge curacos licensbetingelser og opfylde spillerens anmodning. Curaco-licensen adskiller sig fra mga-licensen ved, at mga-licensen automatisk kræver, at ét casino blokeres på grund af spilafhængighed fra alle operatørens casinoer automatisk, gør curaco det ikke, men hvis du specifikt beder curaco casino om også at blokere dig på søstersider. , hvordan man fortolker reglerne, hvor der står, at curaco casinoer skal samarbejde med søstersider og minimere spilafhængighed.
  6. Jeg vandt selvfølgelig sagen takket være advokaten, og jeg fik en direkte kommentar fra ham "det er deres smuthul, som de forsøger at udnytte"

nu vil jeg gerne give lidt vægt til casinoguruens politik, hvor du skal anmode om hvert casino separat, dette er teoretisk umuligt, fordi en spiller, der er en problemspiller, skal sidde på internettet 24/7 og se, fordi en ny søster siden åbner, om spilleren er stærk nok til at sende en blokeringsanmodning, eller om han hellere vil begynde at spille. Jeg kan sige, at den sidste mulighed er den mest almindelige og den mest reelle.

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Jaro
2 måneder siden

Let's say you go to Betsson, Unibet, Bet365 and say, "I am addicted to gambling, I have lost everything meaningful in life."


Do you think these casinos would see it as "just a closure" on one occasion, or would they really take it seriously and understand what it's about? Do you think I would be able to reactivate my account there again?


You also seem to have a very simplistic personal opinion about my use of the word "close" instead of "exclude." If this is indeed a personal opinion, I find it quite lacking in empathy. Personally, I would have been affected by such a message and understood that this person wants to and should stop gambling. I would have simply understood that he means he wants to close the account permanently.


On the other hand, if I were completely without empathy, I would have rubbed my hands together and said, "Yes, I found a little reason to take advantage of this guy even more and take some more money from him because he only said 'close.'"


Jaro
2 måneder siden

ingen ændret e-mail eller andre oplysninger. Dette er ikke relevant i mit tilfælde.🙂

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2 måneder siden

Jag kan knappt förstår att av allt detta


Hello friends!

I would like to ask you to close my account with you and all your sister sites.

I am a gambling addict and have been playing casino games since 2010. Along the way, I have not only lost over 300k euros, but I have also lost friends, family, children, and everything that matters. I gamble not to win money but due to my addiction. Even if I won a million, I would still keep gambling. I lost myself a long time ago.

Could you please close my account? Thank you.

Thank you for reading. Best regards.


så var det 1 ord du reagerade på🤣 du förbisåg alla negativa sakerna. Jag kan helt ärligt inte förstå det..

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Tak Jaro, min mening om casinoguru er god. Jeg ville bare gerne have, at curaco-kasinoerne var mere seriøse omkring ansvarligt spil. Men det er selvfølgelig min egen mening. Jeg har diskuteret denne "opinion" med en curacao advokat, fordi jeg kort kan fortælle dig om en af mine klagesager, som jeg vandt med hjælp fra en curacao advokat.

  1. Jeg sendte en e-mail til kasinoet, der opererer i Curacao, og bad om et spilforbud, og søsterkasinoer blev forbudt på grund af et spilproblem.
  2. kasinoet blokerede mig kun fra siden, hvor jeg bad om at blive blokeret, blokerede ikke søstersiderne på trods af min anmodning.
  3. kasinoet har længe hævdet, at de opererer under deres egen licens og ikke har nogen søstersider. (Som de altid siger), hvilket er en komplet Løgn, alle burde lære at kende og sætte sig mere ind i curaco casinoer, deres firma og søstersider. Én virksomhed driver flere sites, med samme licensnummer, samme virksomhed, samme ledelse. Dette er en søsterside. Dette var let bevist.
  4. Herefter begyndte kasinoet at opfinde nye ting, vi deler ikke den samme database. Selvom curaco casinoer har deres egne betingelser, kræver deres licens kommunikation med søstersider og spillerbeskyttelse.
  5. så hvis du beder søstersider om at blive blokeret, skal de også følge curacos licensbetingelser og opfylde spillerens anmodning. Curaco-licensen adskiller sig fra mga-licensen ved, at mga-licensen automatisk kræver, at ét casino blokeres på grund af spilafhængighed fra alle operatørens casinoer automatisk, gør curaco det ikke, men hvis du specifikt beder curaco casino om også at blokere dig på søstersider. , hvordan man fortolker reglerne, hvor der står, at curaco casinoer skal samarbejde med søstersider og minimere spilafhængighed.
  6. Jeg vandt selvfølgelig sagen takket være advokaten, og jeg fik en direkte kommentar fra ham "det er deres smuthul, som de forsøger at udnytte"

nu vil jeg gerne give lidt vægt til casinoguruens politik, hvor du skal anmode om hvert casino separat, dette er teoretisk umuligt, fordi en spiller, der er en problemspiller, skal sidde på internettet 24/7 og se, fordi en ny søster siden åbner, om spilleren er stærk nok til at sende en blokeringsanmodning, eller om han hellere vil begynde at spille. Jeg kan sige, at den sidste mulighed er den mest almindelige og den mest reelle.

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2 måneder siden

Yes I understand what you are saying and in some cases it would probably not be the easiest. 

However, so many casinos in the same group don't come up every day. If one appears and you have the option to self-exclude from the whole group then it is easier, because this act should also apply to new casinos as well. 

But if this is not the case then unfortunately the player has to practice this process one by one. We can't control who has what Terms and how they handle these things and how seriously they take them. 

However, I know one thing for sure, if I had such an issue with the Curacao casinos I would never go to them to play, and I would only play in the ones that are reliable.

Your case you described is different from the last one in that you were basically tricked by the casino into believing that they didn't have sister sites, and that's a big difference. That's why I'd say you managed to win with the help of a lawyer, which I'm sure glad you did. 

Nevertheless, every case can be different, and sometimes even a small discrepancy can make a big difference, especially when it comes to responsible gambling. 

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Let's say you go to Betsson, Unibet, Bet365 and say, "I am addicted to gambling, I have lost everything meaningful in life."


Do you think these casinos would see it as "just a closure" on one occasion, or would they really take it seriously and understand what it's about? Do you think I would be able to reactivate my account there again?


You also seem to have a very simplistic personal opinion about my use of the word "close" instead of "exclude." If this is indeed a personal opinion, I find it quite lacking in empathy. Personally, I would have been affected by such a message and understood that this person wants to and should stop gambling. I would have simply understood that he means he wants to close the account permanently.


On the other hand, if I were completely without empathy, I would have rubbed my hands together and said, "Yes, I found a little reason to take advantage of this guy even more and take some more money from him because he only said 'close.'"


2 måneder siden

Dear player,

I have to say I dissagree with you on a few occassions. It's fair to say that the whole matter of the current state of the Self-Exclusion through out the industry is not convenient. There are huge differences between national laws and regulations making it pretty chalenging to exclude from various casinos.

Becuse of this, responsible player should never rely on his opinion or feelings insted, should accept how things actually works. Jaro alredy explained that, and I see no issue with his sesponses to you.

The sooner you understand how you need to behave when self excluding from casino, the sooner you will be succesfull in doing so. From our perspective, it would be highly irresponsible not to inform you about things you have not done correctly.

We are not here to blindly agree, we're here to explain things. The rest is up to you.

So no, in some casinos it's not enoughto say "I would like to ask you to close my account with you and all your sister sites." It's not that simple, in most cases you have inform each casino separately - depends on their rules and license, among other things.


I wish you no further harm, just try to learn from this situation, please.


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Let's say you go to Betsson, Unibet, Bet365 and say, "I am addicted to gambling, I have lost everything meaningful in life."


Do you think these casinos would see it as "just a closure" on one occasion, or would they really take it seriously and understand what it's about? Do you think I would be able to reactivate my account there again?


You also seem to have a very simplistic personal opinion about my use of the word "close" instead of "exclude." If this is indeed a personal opinion, I find it quite lacking in empathy. Personally, I would have been affected by such a message and understood that this person wants to and should stop gambling. I would have simply understood that he means he wants to close the account permanently.


On the other hand, if I were completely without empathy, I would have rubbed my hands together and said, "Yes, I found a little reason to take advantage of this guy even more and take some more money from him because he only said 'close.'"


2 måneder siden

I sympathize with you and I certainly didn't mean to take you at your word. In this case, however, there is a difference between closing an account and self-exclude. 

I would say that in honest casinos you shouldn't have a problem with that. If you want to be excluded you should do so and they should take it with the utmost seriousness. Don't ask why you want to do it and if your opinion will change for example with bonus and so on. There is a very fine line if a player is addicted and no casino should profit from it. Just like reopening an account. 

Although, having been in this business for a while, I can see that not every casino you would encounter the same solution. This will never be an excuse that if a casino doesn't take it seriously, that it's okay for us because it's not. 

But it's important to realize that not every casino is the same, and not every casino treats responsible gambling equally. That's why I was talking about the fact that unfortunately sometimes you have to self-exclude yourself from each casino individually even though you write to do it for the whole group. Of course, if it's not possible to do it for the whole group, then the casino could also tell you that it's not allowed and that you have to do it manually everywhere. 

I don't want you to take this as an attack against you, I'm just trying to explain what cases I've encountered and what is standard in most of casinos.

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Dear player,

I have to say I dissagree with you on a few occassions. It's fair to say that the whole matter of the current state of the Self-Exclusion through out the industry is not convenient. There are huge differences between national laws and regulations making it pretty chalenging to exclude from various casinos.

Becuse of this, responsible player should never rely on his opinion or feelings insted, should accept how things actually works. Jaro alredy explained that, and I see no issue with his sesponses to you.

The sooner you understand how you need to behave when self excluding from casino, the sooner you will be succesfull in doing so. From our perspective, it would be highly irresponsible not to inform you about things you have not done correctly.

We are not here to blindly agree, we're here to explain things. The rest is up to you.

So no, in some casinos it's not enoughto say "I would like to ask you to close my account with you and all your sister sites." It's not that simple, in most cases you have inform each casino separately - depends on their rules and license, among other things.


I wish you no further harm, just try to learn from this situation, please.


2 måneder siden

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Jaro
2 måneder siden

Så nej, i nogle kasinoer er det ikke nok at sige "Jeg vil gerne bede dig om at lukke min konto hos dig og alle dine søstersider." Det er ikke så enkelt, i de fleste tilfælde skal du informere hvert casino separat – afhænger blandt andet af deres regler og licens.



Jeg vil gerne bede dig om at lukke min konto hos dig og alle dine søstersider.

Jeg er ludoman og har spillet casinospil siden 2010. Undervejs har jeg ikke kun mistet over 300.000 euro, men jeg har også mistet venner, familie, børn og alt, hvad der betyder noget. Jeg spiller ikke for at vinde penge, men på grund af min afhængighed. Selvom jeg vandt en million, ville jeg stadig blive ved med at spille. Jeg mistede mig selv for længe siden.

Kan du lukke min konto? Tak skal du have.

Tak fordi du læste. Med venlig hilsen.



Tror du, det ikke er nok? Okay, jeg forstår, jeg respekterer din mening. Jeg forstår bare bedre din holdning. Du kan sagtens være et af disse rå casinoer med god samvittighed. Jeg bekymrer mig ikke længere om denne klage. Det gør mig bare ked af at se, at du er nøjagtig den samme som disse mennesker i costa rica.. du ser mig ikke her mere. Tak og god sommer

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Anonymized641
2 måneder siden

I would say that would be enough for me personally. But for casinos, apparently not, and some standard and procedures and under what conditions they must have in context of self-exclusion. That's why I wrote what I wrote, because that's the experience of most players. 

For me it would be clear but I don't work in a casino and if I did and they told me that this was too weak for a slef-exclusion, I would probably have to listen. It's always best to look for information on this in the casino and how to self-exclude and you'll see that not every casino has the same policy. 

Of course, the best thing would be to be able to put it under the control and not play any more. 

You always have to learn from such a sad situation, and now you will know that not always what we think is clear is really so clear for everybody. 🙁

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