Hej!
Jeg havde en ubehagelig hændelse med Playouwin, som jeg fandt på Aksgamblers, og hvor jeg bagefter indgav en klage mod kasinoet. Beskrivelsen af sagen, hele historien om klagen med Playouwin og Askgamblers svar kan du finde her:
https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/playouwin-casino-the-casino-added-an-unclaimed-bonus-to-my-account-and-confiscated-my-winnings-afterwards
Jeg forberedte mit svar vedrørende Playouwins overtrædelse af deres egne vilkår og betingelser, men da jeg forsøgte at sende det, så jeg, at klagen var blevet lukket uden yderligere mulighed for at blive genåbnet eller genovervejet. Jeg sender teksten til mit svar her:
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I deres første svar sagde Playouwins repræsentant: '' vi arbejder i overensstemmelse med vores bonusvilkår '. Men i deres andet svar læste vi: 'vi gør undtagelser, og dette var en af dem'. Så, vilkårene respekteres undertiden, og nogle gange er de ikke ... Det ser ud til, at bookmakeren er den, der beslutter, om han vil arbejde i henhold til dens vilkår eller tværtimod - at sige 'denne overtrædelse var bare en undtagelse'.
Den tekniske del af denne hændelse er interessant med det faktum, at bookmakeren foregiver krænkede bonuskrav, selv om det i spillerens konto er tydeligt synligt, at der ikke er nogen. Men den tekniske del er bare en konsekvens, og årsagen er af juridisk karakter, som bookmakeren gjorde, fordi han manglede forståelse for, at reglerne skulle følges, ligesom de er skrevet. Jeg vil foretage en meget kort afvigelse og pege på hovedpunkterne i forholdet mellem "bookmaker-spiller", hvorefter jeg vender tilbage til den juridiske del af denne sag.
Bookmakers vilkår og betingelser, efter at spilleren har accepteret dem, har beføjelse til at indgå en kontrakt mellem de to parter. De deraf følgende forpligtelser er tvingende nødvendige, dvs. det er obligatorisk for de to parter at overholde reglerne, ligesom de er skrevet. Det er ikke tilladt at anvende dem selektivt eller ignorere dem. Det er umuligt for begge parter i kontrakten efter eget skøn at foretage 'undtagelser' udtrykt i handlinger, der er i modstrid med dem, der er skrevet i reglerne. Hvis bookmakeren ønsker at tage handlinger uden for kontraktens grænser, har han mulighed for at ændre vilkårene, og først efter at spilleren har accepteret disse ændringer, bliver de nye regler gældende.
Der er en bestemt ordre i bettingbranchen for at aktualisere vilkårene og betingelserne, og det er følgende:
1. Bookmakeren lægger den nye version ud på webstedet med angivelse af datoen for deres ikrafttræden.
2. Bookmakeren underretter på en eller anden måde spillerne om ændringen - med en e -mail, en besked eller når de logger ind - og beder dem om at blive fortrolige med de nye regler og acceptere dem for at fortsætte med at bruge bookmakerens tjenester.
3. Spilleren på hans side gør sig bekendt med den nye version og vælger, om han vil acceptere dem og fortsætte sin aktivitet eller ej og forlade bookmakeren.
I det konkrete tilfælde:
For at tilføje en bonus (en bonus, ikke en gave!) Til min bettingkonto i Playouwin, er der mindst to ting, der skal ændres:
1. Min status skal gå fra 'IKKE berettiget' til 'berettiget'. Min status er reguleret i afsnit 1.10 i Playouwins bonusvilkår og betingelser, dvs. dette afsnit skal redigeres.
2. Rekkefølgen for kreditering af en bonus på en spillers konto skal også ændres. I øjeblikket skal spilleren gøre krav på det. Sandsynligvis ville det være en god idé, hvis bonusserne tilføjes på bookmakers initiativ, og de tilsvarende afsnit af reglerne, der er relevante for de forskellige bonustyper, bør redigeres.
I den korte periode, jeg har brugt Playouwins websted, er jeg ikke blevet informeret om en ændring af deres vilkår og betingelser. Gyldigheden af afsnit 1.10 gør det juridisk umuligt at fastslå et bonusforhold mellem mig og Playouwin. Så der kunne ikke tillægges nogen bonusforpligtelser til min konto.
Jeg tror, at Playouwin vil respektere deres egne regler og styret af den sunde fornuft vil de blive enige om, at reglerne skal følges absolut og ubetinget. Dimensionen af konsekvenserne af deres overtrædelse af vilkårene (allerede indrømmet af Playouwin som en 'undtagelse') er på 1.020,42 €, der skal gendannes til min konto.
Hello!
I had an unpleasant incident with Playouwin that I found on Aksgamblers and where afterwards I submitted a complaint against the casino. The description of the case, whole story of the complaint with Playouwin and Askgamblers’ replies you can find here:
https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/playouwin-casino-the-casino-added-an-unclaimed-bonus-to-my-account-and-confiscated-my-winnings-afterwards
I prepared my reply regarding Playouwin’s violation of their own terms and conditions but when I tried to post it I saw the complaint had been closed with no further possibility to be reopen or reconsidered. I post here the text of my reply:
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In their first reply, Playouwin’s representative said: ‘'we work in compliance per our bonus terms and conditions'. But in their second reply we read: 'we do exceptions and this was one and only of them'. So, the terms are sometimes respected and sometimes they are not… It seems that the bookmaker is who decides whether to work according to its terms or on the contrary – to say ‘this violation was just an exception.’
The technical part of this incident is interesting with the fact that the bookmaker pretends of violated bonus requirements although in the player’s account is clearly visible that there are none. But the technical part is just a consequence and the reason is of a legal character that the bookmaker did because his lack of understanding that the rules should be followed just as they are written. I will make a very short digression pointing out the main points of the 'bookmaker-player' relationship after which I will return to the legal part of the present case.
The bookmaker’s terms and conditions, after their acceptance by the player, have the power of a contract between the two parties. The resulting commitments are imperative, i.e. it is obligatory for the two parties to respect the rules just as they are written. It is not permissible to apply them selectively or to ignore them. It is impossible for either one of the sides of the contract to make at his discretion ‘exceptions’ expressed in actions contrary to those written in the rules. In case the bookmaker wants to take actions outside of the contract’s boundaries, he has the opportunity to change the terms and only after the player accept these changes the new rules become applicable.
There is a certain order in the betting industry for actualizing the terms and conditions and it is the following:
1. The bookmaker posts the new version on the website pointing the date they enter into force.
2. The bookmaker somehow notify the players of the change – with an email, a message or when logging in – and ask them to get familiar with the new rules and accept them in order to continue using the bookmaker’s services.
3. The player on his side get familiar with the new version and choose whether to accept them and continue his activity or not and leave the bookmaker.
In the specific case:
In order to add a bonus (a bonus namely, not a gift!) to my betting account in Playouwin, there are at least two things that need to be changed:
1. My status should go from ‘NOT entitled’ to ‘entitled’. My status is regulated in section 1.10 of Playouwin’s Bonus terms and conditions, i.e. this section needs to be edited.
2. The order of crediting a bonus to a player’s account needs to be changed, as well. At the moment the player needs to claim it. Probably it would be a good idea if the bonuses are added on the bookmaker’s initiative and the corresponding sections of the rules relevant to the different types of bonuses should be edited.
During the short period of time I have been using Playouwin’s website I have not been informed of a change in their terms and conditions. The validity of section 1.10 make it legally impossible to determine any bonus relationship between me and Playouwin. So, no bonus engagements could be imputed to my account.
I believe that Playouwin will respect their own rules and guided by the common sense they will agree the rules should be followed absolutely and unconditionally. The dimension of the consequences from their violation of the terms (already admitted by Playouwin as an ‘exception’) is in the amount of €1,020.42 that needs to be restored to my account.
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