Hej Nick
Tak for dit svar, selvom jeg er ret overrasket over nogle af de ting, du har sagt.
For det første har du ikke besvaret mine spørgsmål vedrørende denne meget alvorlige klage.
Jeg har spurgt dig ved adskillige lejligheder, om du har været i kontakt med chipstars vedrørende denne sag, og du har ikke svaret én gang. Jeg bemærker også, at du aldrig har inviteret chipsstars til at deltage i denne klagetråd for at diskutere sagen. Du kan ikke have en klageproces, hvor kasinoet ikke engang bliver involveret, vel?
Kan du forklare, hvorfor chipsstars aldrig har svaret på denne klagetråd? Er det, fordi de ved, at de har brudt deres egne T&C'er ved adskillige lejligheder, men kun bruger denne klausul, hvis nogen vinder? se kod1 klage .
Casino-guruens klageproces fandt ud af, at kod1 brød chipsstars T&C's ved at åbne en konto fra Storbritannien, og du stillede dig på chipsstars side, da de fjernede kod1s gevinster og refunderede deres indskud. I mit identiske tilfælde siger du nu, at jeg brød (de tillod mig at bryde) chipsstars T&C's ved at åbne en konto fra Storbritannien, men i dette tilfælde, fordi jeg mistede chipsater, behøver jeg ikke at refundere mine indskud. Så som nævnt før en Win/Win situation for chipsstjerner og intet mindre end svindel.
Du siger også følgende
"Der er nogle chatsamtaler med kasinoet, hvor de hævder, at Storbritannien er begrænset, men da det er over et år gammelt, kan vi ikke betragte det som relevant i øjeblikket."
Så jeg har givet dig klare beviser fra chipsstjerner, hvor de siger, at Storbritannien er et begrænset land, men du siger, at det ikke er relevant.
Det er selvfølgelig relevant, da det at være over et år siden er det nøjagtige tidspunkt, hvor min konto var i drift hos dem. Det er klart, at de relevante T&C'er er dem, der var på plads, da min konto var operationel, er de ikke?
Den nemme måde at løse denne klage på ville være at bede chipsjerne om at bekræfte, om de accepterede kunder fra Storbritannien på det tidspunkt, hvor min konto var operationel, ville det ikke? Hvis de bekræfter, at de ikke gjorde det, vil de klart returnere alle mine indskud. Det er trods alt præcis, hvad de gjorde med kod1-klagen, og casinoguruen var mere end glade for at blive enige om, at de havde ret til at annullere gevinsterne og refundere indbetalingerne. Hvorfor håndhæver du ikke det samme scenarie nu. Siden hvornår begyndte casinoguruen at fortælle klager, hvis et kasino bryder deres egne T&C'er, er det et spørgsmål for licensmyndighederne?
Kan du præcisere, at casinoguruers position derfor er følgende
a. Hvis en kunde overtræder et kasinos T&C's, vil du automatisk bestemme til fordel for kasinoet
b. Hvis kasinoet bryder sine egne T&C'er, vil du sige, at du ikke kan gøre noget og anbefale kunden at tage retslige skridt for at få deres penge tilbage
Så igen en win/win situation for casinoet og klart dobbeltmoral fra Casino Guru. Det er vel næppe en retfærdig tvistproces?
Fortsæt, kan du forklare det, du sagde
"Du kontaktede endda licensmyndighederne, som forklarede den samme situation for dig og afgjorde til fordel for kasinoet. De besluttede, at kasinoet skulle refundere dig 5000 €, mens du modtog endnu mere ved dit krav."
For det første, kan du forklare, hvor du har fået disse oplysninger fra? Jeg stoler på, at du derfor har været i kontakt med chipsstars?
For det andet kan jeg forsikre dig om, at det, du har sagt, er 100 % forkert. Jeg kontaktede licensmyndighederne, men kan bekræfte, at selvom jeg har sendt dem adskillige e-mails, har de ALDRIG svaret.
Derfor stoler jeg på, at du kan give mig beviserne for denne åbenlyse løgn hurtigst muligt?
Det ser ud til, at på trods af at du har modtaget overvældende beviser for, at chipsstjerner har overtrådt deres T&C'er ved adskillige lejligheder, har du ingen intentioner om at afgøre en klage mod dem. Vil du venligst forklare hvorfor det er?
Casino Guru siger under "Sådan løser vi kasinoklager og hvorfor
"Når vi konkluderer, at der er en reel mulighed for, at spilleren har ret, og vi ikke kan løse klagen selv, kontakter en af vores løsere casinoet og beder repræsentanten om at blive involveret."
Du har allerede indrømmet, at jeg har givet dig beviserne fra kasinoet, der beviser, at jeg har ret, så hvorfor har du ikke bedt kasinoets repræsentant om at blive involveret?
I lyset af alt, hvad jeg har sagt, vil jeg nu sætte pris på følgende.
Trin 5 i din, hvordan du løser casino-klager, siger
Vi er meget stolte af dette gennemsigtige system og den grad af sammenhæng, vi er i stand til at bringe i vores beslutninger. Desuden holder vi hver onsdag et særligt opkald med 20 af vores mest vidende specialister, hvor de mest komplicerede sager diskuteres.
Jeg forventer, at i betragtning af hvor kompliceret min sag ser ud til at være, at ledelsen af dit klageteam gennemgår den grundigt med inddragelse af både mig selv og chipstars-repræsentanten. Hvis chipsstjerner har løjet for dig, skulle de automatisk miste klagen, da de har brudt deres T&C'er og tydeligvis heller ikke er troværdige.
Hello Nick
Thank you for your response although I'm quite amazed at some of the things you have said.
Firstly you have not answered my questions regarding this very serious complaint.
I have asked you on numerous occasions if you have been in contact with chipstars regarding this matter and you have not once replied. Also I note you have never invited chipstars to join this complaints thread to discuss the matter. You can't have a complaints process where the casino does not even get involved can you?
Can you explain why chipstars have never responded on this complaints thread? Is it because they know they have broken their own T&C's on numerous occasions but only use this clause if someone wins? see kod1 complaint.
Casino guru's complaints process found that kod1 broke chipstars T&C's by opening an account from the UK and you sided with chipstars when they removed kod1's winnings and refunded their deposits. In my identical case you are now saying that I broke (they allowed me to break) chipstars T&C's by opening an account from the UK but in this instance because I lost chipsatrs don't have to refund my deposits. So as stated before a Win/Win situation for chipstars and nothing short of fraud.
You also say the following
"There are some chat conversations with the casino where they claim UK is restricted but as it is over a year old, we can't consider it relevant in the present."
So I have provided you with clear evidence from chipstars where they say the UK is a restricted country but you say it isn't relevant.
Of course it is relevant as being over a year ago is the exact time my account was operational with them. Cleary the relevant T&Cs are the ones that were in place when my account was operational are they not?
The easy way to resolve this complaint would be to ask chipstars to confirm if they accepted customers from the UK at the time my account was operational would it not? If they confirm that they didn't then clearly they will return all of my deposits. After all this is exactly what they did with kod1 complaint and casino guru were more than happy to agree that they had a right to cancel the winnings and refund the deposits. Why are you not enforcing the same scenario now. Since when did casino guru start telling complainants if a casino breaches their own T&C's it is a matter for licensing authorities?
Can you clarify that casino gurus position is therefore the following
a.If a customer breaches a casinos T&C's then you will automatically rule in favour of the casino
b. If the casino breaches its own T&C's you will say you can't do anything and recommend the customer to take legal action to recover their money
So again a win/win situation for the casino and clearly double standards from Casino Guru. That is hardly a fair dispute process is it?
Moving on , can you explain this that you said
"You even did contact the licensing authorities which explained the same situation to you and ruled in favor of the casino. They decided that the casino should refund you 5000€ while you received even more by your claim."
Firstly, can you explain where you got this information from?I trust that you have therefore been in contact with chipstars?
Secondly I can assure you that what you have said is 100% incorrect. I did contact the licensing authorities but can confirm that despite sending them numerous emails they NEVER once replied.
Therefore I trust that you can provide me the evidence of this blatant lie asap?
It would appear that despite receiving overwhelming evidence that chipstars have breached their T&Cs on numerous occasions you have no intention of ruling a complaint against them. Would you explain why that is please?
Casino Guru says under "How We Resolve Casino Complaints and Why
"Once we conclude that there is a real possibility that the player is in the right and we cannot solve the complaint by ourselves, one of our solvers contacts the casino and asks the representative to get involved."
You have already admitted that I have provided you with the evidence from the casino that proves I'm in the right so why haven't you asked the casino representative to get involved?
In light of everything I have said I would now appreciate the following.
Step 5 of your how to resolve casino Complaints says
We are very proud of this transparent system and the level of consistency we are able to bring into our decisions. What's more, every Wednesday we hold a special call that features 20 of our most knowledgeable specialists, during which the most complicated cases are discussed.
I would expect that given how complicated my case appears to be that the management of your complaints team thoroughly review it with the involvement of both myself and the chipstars representative. If chipstars have been lying to you then they automatically should lose the complaint as they have broken their T&Cs and are clearly not trustworthy either.