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The player from Australia had his payments halted for an unknown reason. He reported that after he had won and withdrawn some funds, his account was put under review and subsequently, he received no additional payments. The casino claimed that the player didn't provide enough documents to meet their AML requirements, and the player's account was associated with potential money laundering tactics. Despite the player's insistence that he had sent all necessary documents, the casino maintained that the evidence wasn't satisfactory and stopped further communication, advising the player to seek resolution through a regulator. After numerous attempts to resolve the issue, the case remained unresolved, with the Complaints Team waiting for a decision from the regulator.
Spilleren fra Australien fik standset sine betalinger af en ukendt årsag. Han rapporterede, at efter at han havde vundet og hævet nogle penge, blev hans konto gennemgået, og efterfølgende modtog han ingen yderligere betalinger. Kasinoet hævdede, at spilleren ikke leverede nok dokumenter til at opfylde deres AML-krav, og spillerens konto var forbundet med potentielle hvidvaskningstaktik. På trods af spillerens insisteren på, at han havde sendt alle nødvendige dokumenter, fastholdt kasinoet, at beviserne ikke var tilfredsstillende og stoppede yderligere kommunikation, og rådede spilleren til at søge en løsning gennem en regulator. Efter adskillige forsøg på at løse problemet forblev sagen uløst, hvor klageteamet ventede på en afgørelse fra tilsynsmyndigheden.
Hej, jeg vandt 300.000 tilbage i maj på viperspin.com. Jeg modtog 2 betalinger på 3200, og så modtog jeg en e-mail den 15. maj, der sagde, at de lukkede min konto og gennemgik min konto for pengevask, og de ville vende tilbage til mig om 7. til 10 dage, og jeg har ikke modtaget et ord siden. Jeg har været i snak med en spilleautomat streamer, der spiller der casino, og han har fortalt mig et par gange, at de ville begynde at betale nogle af pengene for at åbne en ny konto, og de ville starte, men har jeg ikke sendt utallige e-mails beder om opdateringer uden svar.
Hi I won 300,000 back in may at viperspin.com I received 2 payments of 3200 and then I received a email on the 15th of may saying they where closing my account and reviewing my account for money laundrieing and they would get back to me in 7 to 10 days and I haven't received a word since. I have been in talks with a slot streamer that plays there casino and he has told me a few times that they where going to start paying some of the money to open a new account and they would start but haven't I have sent countless emails asking for updates with no reply.
Mange tak for din klage. Jeg er ked af at høre om dit problem.
Tillad mig at stille dig et par spørgsmål, så jeg kan forstå hele situationen. Kan du oplyse, om hele beløbet på $300.000 er blevet godkendt af casinoet og efterfølgende opdelt i flere rater? Forstår jeg rigtigt, at kun $6.400 er blevet modtaget?
Jeg håber, vi vil være i stand til at hjælpe dig med at løse dette problem så hurtigt som muligt. På forhånd tak for dit svar.
Med venlig hilsen,
Petronela
Dear Boofa83,
Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about your problem.
Please allow me to ask you a few questions, so I can understand the whole situation completely. Could you please advise if the entire amount of $300,000 has been approved by the casino and subsequently split into several installments? Do I understand correctly that $6,400 has been received only?
Ja, jeg modtog 2 betalinger på 3200, fordi de kun tillader 3200 om ugen, og jeg spillede lidt, indtil de sendte mig e-mailen om, at jeg var blevet anmeldt, der var 280.000 tilbage derinde den 15. maj sidste år. Jeg har skærm skudt af, da jeg havde 370.000 derinde
Yes I received 2 payments of 3200 because they only allow 3200 a week and I played for a bit untill they sent me the email that I'd been put under review there was 280,000 left in there on the 15th of may last year I have screen shot of when I had 370,000 in there
Jeg var nødt til at give oplysninger om rigdom og indkomst, som jeg gjorde, og jeg har fået at vide af slot-streameren, at de ville udbetale mig 50k i november, og jeg modtog intet, så modtog jeg 3200 den 1. januar ud af det blå i ny konto derefter intet fra dengang heks jeg fandt fishy Jeg spørger live chat om min konto, og de sagde, at min konto b****X1@hotmail.com er som om den aldrig blev registreret. Jeg har skærmbilleder af det hele
I had to provide source of wealth and income details witch I did and I've been told by the slot streamer they would pay me out 50k in Nov and I received nothing then I received 3200 on the 1st of January out of the blue in the new account then nothing from then witch I found fishy I ask live chat about my account and they said my account b****1@hotmail.com is like it was never registered I have screen shots of all of it
Tak, Boofa83, for dit svar og al den videresendte relevante kommunikation. Kan du oplyse, om du har akkumuleret dine gevinster med eller uden og aktiv bonus, og hvilke spil du spillede?
Thank you, Boofa83, for your reply and all the forwarded relevant communication. Could you please advise if you accumulated your winnings with or without and active bonus and which games you were playing?
Hini har lige modtaget 3200 på den nye konto, hvis jeg hæver den eller forlader den, fordi jeg ikke vil have, at det skader mine chancer for at få mine penge
Hini just received 3200 in the new account should I withdraw it or leave it cause I don't want it hurting my chances of get my money
Oprindeligt bad vi Adam om beviser vedrørende hvidvaskning af penge, og vores AML-politik var ret streng. Dokumenterne blev ikke givet inden for en tidsramme, punktum. Der har ikke været noget forsøg på at fremlægge regnskabsdokumenter, der retfærdiggør hans indskud af det beløb, og væddemålet minder meget om en hvidvask-taktik. Vi tillod godt en måned til den proces. Igen, ingen dokumenter blev nogensinde leveret til vores casino direkte som anmodet.
Derudover udbetalt over $50.000 + som god vilje, som er vedlagt til din fremvisning.
Bemærk også, at de hævede midler er langt over, hvad der er blevet indsat.
Adam truede vores live chat-support for flere midler, og vi fortalte ham, at han er velkommen til at åbne en sag om guru, eller enhver anden, som han føler sig forpligtet til at gøre det.
Referencer:
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5:5. VERIFIKATION AF DIN IDENTITET; KRAV TIL ANTI-HVIDVASKNING
8.5.2 enhver kontrol, der henvises til verifikation af din identitet; Krav til hvidvaskning af penge er blevet udfyldt af os til vores tilfredshed; og
En af vores streamere, som ikke er involveret i kasinoet, forsøgte at hjælpe Adam, men som vi har nævnt, har streameren intet at gøre med ham, eller noget, han kan 'assistere' med. Denne streamer forvaltede en aftale med en af vores ledere om at tillade yderligere $10.000 ud af en venlig gestus fra fællesskabet, som ledelsen godkendte. Det har han også allerede modtaget flere tusinde af, og så har nu denne sag. Der betales ikke yderligere.
Vi vil også tilføje, at duplikerede konti også er en del af dette. Listen fortsætter virkelig.
Vi føler, at vi har været mere end fair over for Adam, udbetalt mere end hvad der var fortjent for en sag, der stadig ikke blev løst på grund af det faktiske anmodede dokument, blev aldrig tilfredsstillet af vores KYC-team.
Vi vil ikke være opmærksom på denne sag yderligere, vi vil kun behandle dette via Guru.
Originally we asked Adam for evidence regarding money laundering with our AML policy being rather strict. The documents were not given in a time frame, period. There has been no attempt to provide accounting documents that justify his deposits of that amount, and the betting is very similar to a money laundering tactic. We did allow well over a month for that process. Again, no documents were ever provided to our casino directly as requested.
In addition, paid out over $50,000 + as good will, which is attached for your viewing.
Please also note the funds withdrawn are well over what has been deposited.
Adam was threatening our live chat support for more funds, and we told him he is welcome to open a case on guru, or anyone else that he feels required to do so.
References:
Section
5:5. VERIFICATION OF YOUR IDENTITY; ANTI-MONEY LAUNDERING REQUIREMENTS
8.5.2 any Checks referred to Verification of Your Identity; Money Laundering Requirements have been completed by us to our satisfaction; and
One of our streamers, who has no involvement within the casino was trying to assist Adam, but as we've mentioned to said streamer this has nothing to do with him, or anything he may 'assist' with. That streamer did manage a deal with one of our managers to allow a further $10,000 out, out of a kind gesture from within the community which management approved. He has also already received several thousand of that, and then well now has this case. Nothing further will be paid.
We will also add, that duplicate accounts are also a part of this. The list really does go on.
We feel we've been more then fair to Adam, paid out more then what was deserved for a case that was still not solved due to the actual requested document was never satisfied to our KYC team.
We will be not be putting attention to this matter further, we will only deal with this via Guru.
Hej Adam, som tidligere nævnt er en streamer ikke involveret i kasinoet. Du er udmærket klar over den e-mail, vi bruger, og live chatten. Vi kan også levere live chat logs, hvis det er nødvendigt af Guru over holdet, der hjælper dig. Mens streameren fik en aftale med en manager af god vilje, og de var glade for at udbetale det beløb, men nu er din konto blevet deaktiveret på din sekundære konto. Eventuelle andre arrangementer, som streameren har hjulpet dig med, er vi ikke sikre på, men det er ikke noget officielt, der afspejler casinoet overhovedet.
Et skattedokument er ikke tilstrækkeligt, det samme som vi tidligere har forklaret, kræver kontoudtog + en korrekt KYC for din erhvervsindkomst, da du erklærer dig selv som selvstændig.
De tilbagetrukne midler kan også vises mere på Gurus anmodning, men vi har også vedhæftet dem og slettet private oplysninger, da jeg ikke er sikker på, hvad det har offentliggjort.
Vi venter på guruers svar, før der tilføjes noget yderligere. Bemærk venligst, at vi kan levere alle udbetalinger, der blev accepteret, og alle betalingslogfiler.
Bemærk venligst også, at Adam, da du har modtaget langt over $50.000, kan Guru ikke give os en handling for at betale det resterende beløb. Vores beslutning blev allerede truffet på det tidspunkt, at du ikke kunne fremvise de nødvendige dokumenter i mere end 6 måneder, selvom vi tillod dig at hæve flere penge, da vi godt kan lide at passe på alle spillere, men hvidvaskning af penge er en alvorlig lovovertrædelse, og vi vil ikke blive snydt eller taget let på.
Petronela , hvis du gerne vil bruge team viewer/team speak til at tjekke udbetalingerne, så lad mig det vide når som helst, så kan vi organisere et liveopkald sammen med EU-tid.
Hi Adam, as previously mentioned a streamer has no involvement within the casino. You are very well aware of the email that we use, and the live chat. We can also provide live chat logs if needed by Guru over the team assisting you. Whilst the streamer did get a deal with a manager out of good will, and they were happy to pay that amount out but now your account has been disabled on your secondary account. Any other arrangements that the streamer has helped you with, we are not sure but that is nothing official that reflects the casino whatsoever.
A tax document is not sufficient, the same we have previously explained we require banking statements + a correct KYC of your business income as you declare yourself as self employed.
The funds withdrawn can be shown more also at Gurus request, however we have also attached them and blanked out private information as I am not sure what it published.
We will wait for gurus reply before anything further is added, please note we can supply all withdrawals that were accepted and all payment logs.
Please also note Adam, seeing as you have received well over $50,000Guru can not provide an action for us to pay any remaining. Our decision was already made at the time that you could not produce the required documents for 6 + months even though we did allow you to withdraw more funds as we do like to look after all players however money laundering is a serious offence and we will not be frauded or taken lightly.
Petronela if you would like to use team viewer / team speak to check the withdrawals please let me know at any time and we can organise a live call together with EU time.
Vi har mange spillere, der er over $3.200 pr. uge.
Vedhæftet er for eksempel en spillergrænse, som vi tillader at være højere. Adam, du er udmærket klar over, at vi kan hæve grænser baseret på spillernes niveau + omsætning.
We have many players that are over $3,200 per week.
Attached for example is a players limits that we allow to be higher. Adam, you are very well aware that we can raise limits based on the players level + turnover.
Adam, uanset hvad Guru nævner her, vil der ikke være noget yderligere på vores vegne under mistanke om hvidvaskning af penge. Vi har allerede bemærket dette for dig for mange, mange måneder siden. Der vil ikke blive offentliggjort noget længere fra os.
Adam, regardless of what Guru mentions here there will be nothing further on our behalf under the suspicion from money laundering. We have already noted this to you many, many months ago. Nothing further from us will be posted.
Du afviste min anmodning om at hæve min grænse på 3200 og sagde, at jeg ikke havde omsat nok, og at niveauerne var ligegyldige, du ville have det, men du vil ikke sætte det op
U denied my request of rising my limit of 3200 stating I hadn't turned over enough and that levels didn't matter u would have it but u won't put that up
Og det viser 15 antal udbetalinger viser alle udbetalinger og adressen på dem, jeg vil vædde på, at de ikke matcher kun 4 vil være for mig 3 af $3200 og 1 af 900
And it shows 15 count of withdrawals show all withdrawals and the address on them please I bet they don't match only 4 will be to me 3 of $3200 and 1 of 900
Mange tak, ViperSpin Casino-team , for din e-mail. På grund af de årsager, som du nævnte i dit svar, indstiller vi timeren til tre uger, indtil den person, der er ansvarlig for denne sag, er tilgængelig.
Kære Boofa83 ,
På forhånd tak for din tålmodighed.
Thank you very much, ViperSpin Casino team, for your email. Due to the reasons that you mentioned in your reply, we will set the timer for three weeks until the person who's responsible for this case will be available.
Vær venlig at bære over med os, da den person, der er ansvarlig for din sag, ikke er tilgængelig i øjeblikket. På forhånd mange tak for din tålmodighed og forståelse.
Dear Boofa83,
Please bear with us as the person who's responsible for your case is not available at this moment. Thank you very much in advance for your patience and understanding.
Tak til begge sider for opdateringerne. Efter hvad jeg forstod var den aktive saldo på spillerens konto langt over $290K+ omkring den 15. maj 2022. Ifølge spillerens skærmbilleder blev nogle dokumenter sendt fem dage senere. Kunne kasinoet afklare, hvad der var problemet, og hvorfor dokumenterne ikke blev accepteret?
Thank you both sides for the updates. From what I understood the active balance on the player's account was well over $290K+ around May 15th, 2022. According to the player's screenshots, some documents were sent five days later. Could the casino clarify what was the problem and why the documents were not accepted?
Hej Petronela, vi er i gang med at få hver indsatslog. Bemærk venligst på vores bagside, at det er tilgængeligt en måned ad gangen, men vi forsøger at gemme det i et excel-dokument for dig fra spiludbyderen direkte.
Hi Petronela, we are in the process of getting each bet log. Please note on our back end it's available one month at a time but we are trying to store it into a excel document for you from the gaming provider directly.
Tak, ViperSpin Casino, for opdateringen. Jeg forstår, at det kan tage et stykke tid at få spillerens spilhistorik. Kan du i mellemtiden fortælle, hvad der var problemet med spillerens dokumenter?
Thank you, ViperSpin Casino, for the update. I understand that getting the player's game history might take a while. Could you please advise, in the meantime, what was the issue with player's documents?
Mange tak, begge sider, for at give alle de nødvendige oplysninger.
Jeg vil nu overføre denne klage til min kollega Matej ( matej@casino.guru ), som vil hjælpe dig. Jeg ønsker dig, Boofa83, held og lykke og håber at se dit problem blive løst til din tilfredshed i den nærmeste fremtid.
Thank you very much, both sides, for providing all the necessary information.
I will now transfer this complaint to my colleague Matej (matej@casino.guru) who will be at your assistance. I wish you, Boofa83, best of luck and hope to see your problem being resolved to your satisfaction in the near future.
Hej matej tak for at hjælpe med min sag. Jeg har lige sendt dig en e-mail med mine betalinger i løbet af de 6 måneder, jeg spillede med casinoet. Fortæl mig venligst, at du modtager den. Jeg kan også få mine basudsagn, hvis det er nødvendigt, som du kan se i e-mailen, jeg tjente over 110.000 aus i løbet af de 6 måneder
Hi matej thank you for helping with my case I just sent you an email with my pays over the 6 months I was playing with the casino. Please let me know that you receive it I can get my bass statements as well if needed as u can see in the email I earned over 110,000 aus in the 6 months
Jeg har modtaget dine skærmbilleder og forstår, hvorfor kasinoet mistænker dig for hvidvaskning af penge.
Jeg vil forklare dig, hvordan kasinoet ser det:
Du beviste over for casinoet, at du i de sidste seks måneder har modtaget flere betydelige beløb (uregelmæssigt - fordi udbetalingerne ikke blev foretaget som typisk løn en gang om måneden). Du har dog ikke fremlagt bevis for, at regeringen ved, at du modtog de penge og betalte skatten. I kasinoets øjne var der enten nogen, der gav dig disse penge, eller også arbejdede du og modtog pengene uden at betale skat. (grå økonomi).
Så alt du skal gøre er at bevise, at du betaler skat af de penge, du har tjent. Det burde være nok.
Hello Boofa83,
I received your screenshots and understand why the casino suspects you of money laundering.
I will explain to you how the casino sees it:
You proved to the casino that in the past six months, you received more significant amounts of money (irregularly - because the payments were not made as typical salary once per month). However, you didn't provide evidence that the government knows you received that money and paid the tax. In the casino's eyes, either somebody gave you this money, or you worked and received the money without paying taxes. (grey economy).
So all you should do is prove that you pay taxes from the money you earned. That should be enough.
Tak fordi du vender tilbage til mig og forklarer det. Jeg forstår nu, at du har forklaret mig det. Det ville have været nyttigt, hvis de forklarede det på denne måde og også svarede, efter at jeg havde sendt mine skattedokumenter.
Grunden til, at jeg får udbetalt disse forskellige beløb, er, at jeg arbejder for mig selv og kun får løn for de job, jeg udfører.
Jeg vil videresende dig gennem mine skattedokumenter i dag.
Mange tak for din hjælp. Jeg vil snarest kontakte skattedokumenterne.
Hi Matej!
Thank you for getting back to me and explaining thus. I do understand now that you've explained it to me. It would have been helpful if they explained it this way and also replied after I had sent my tax documents.
The reason I get paid these different amounts is because I work for myself and only get paid for the jobs I complete.
I will forward you through my tax documents today.
Thank you very much for your assistance. I will be in touch shortly with the tax documents.
I dette tilfælde er der to forskellige versioner af, hvad der skete fra begyndelsen.
Det omtvistede beløb stemmer ikke overens. Kasinoet præsenterede en spillog, der indikerer, at spilleren mistede sine hævdede penge samme dag, som kontoen blev lukket.
Efter genåbning af kontoen fortsatte Boofa83 med at spille. (hvorfor hvis kasinoet stjal 280k fra ham?)
Hvorfor nævnte kasinoet ikke, at spilleren brugte sin saldo i begyndelsen af sagen?
Det er de spørgsmål, jeg har i mit sind.
Dear casino representative and Boofa83.
In this case, there are two different versions of what happened from the beginning.
The disputed amount does not match. The casino presented a game log indicating that the player lost his claimed money the same day the account was closed.
After reopening the account, Boofa83 continued to play. (why if the casino stole 280k from him?)
Why did the casino not mention that the player spent his balance at the beginning of the case?
Hej MateJ, som tidligere forklaret var vi under forskellig ledelse i hele denne sag, som blev sendt via e-mail. Vi kan ikke kontrollere forskellige resultater af forskellige medarbejdere / eller meninger.
Vi har været meget gennemsigtige med hele væddemålsloggen, som vores seneste manager har kigget i og leveret til dig og også tilbudt et opkald med hensyn til, hvad der vil ske.
Jeg er ikke helt sikker på, hvad vi kan gøre mere end at indsende det, vi har på vores side, som er inden for Fundist og styret af spillemyndighederne. Vi er mere end glade, hvis Adam gerne vil tage dette videre til vores licensgiver, da vi kan levere al nødvendig dokumentation til dem direkte + de har fuld adgang.
Tak
Hi MateJ, as previously explained we were under different management throughout this case which was emailed. We can't control different outcomes of different staff / nor opinions.
We have been very transparent with the entire bet log, which our latest manager has looked into and supplied to you and also offered a call in regards which will occur.
I'm not entirely sure what more we can do other then submit what we have on our end which is within Fundist and governed by gaming authorities. We are more then happy if Adam would like to take this further to our licensor as we can supply any required documentation to them directly + they have full access.
Vi har genåbnet denne klage efter anmodning fra Boofa83. Vi vil gerne give denne sag endnu en chance for at blive løst og hjælpe begge parter med at nå frem til en tilfredsstillende afslutning.
We’ve reopened this complaint at the request of Boofa83. We would like to allow this case one more chance to be resolved and help both parties involved to reach a satisfactory conclusion.
Vi har modtaget en anmodning fra Boofa83 om at genoptage en sag på grund af tilsynsmyndighedens manglende svar inden for den angivne tidsramme på tre måneder. Kan du venligst bekræfte, at du ikke er blevet kontaktet af tilsynsmyndigheden vedrørende denne sag?
Boofa83 kan du venligst sende mig den besked, du sendte til regulatoren?
Dear ViperSpin casino representative,
We have received a request from Boofa83 to reopen a case due to the regulator's lack of response within the specified timeframe of three months. Can you kindly verify that you have not been contacted by the regulator regarding this matter?
Boofa83 could you please forward me the message you sent to the regulator?
Hej Matej, som du godt ved, er vi et WLC casino indenfor Soft Gamings. Du vil også vide, at reguleringsprocessen tager tid, det er helt uden for vores kontrol.
Du kan e-maile dem direkte angående denne sag, eller endnu bedre kontakte SoftGamings om det, vil du gerne have deres oplysninger?
Vi venter på at høre tilbage fra regulatoren, de blev leveret med alt, men de tog 2 måneder at kontakte Softgamings, igen intet at gøre med Viperspin, vi kan ikke hurtig spore nogen regulator.
Regulatoren fik tilstrækkelige beviser, og Softgamings er også tilfredse med, at vi har gjort alt korrekt.
Tak, hvis du har brug for mere, tag os venligst eller kontakt regulatoren direkte.
Hi Matej, as you would be very well aware we are a WLC casino within Soft Gamings. You would also know the regulation process takes time, that is completely out of our control.
You can email them directly regarding this case, or better yet contact SoftGamings about it would you like their information?
We are waiting to hear back from the regulator, they were supplied with everything but they did take 2 months to contact Softgamings, again nothing to do with Viperspin we can not fast track any regulator.
The regulator was provided with sufficient evidence, and Softgamings is also satisfied that we have done everything correctly.
Thank you, should you need anything further please tag us in or contact the regulator directly.
Så du kan bekræfte, at angående sagen har du allerede fremlagt alle de nødvendige beviser, og nu venter vi bare på tilsynsmyndighedens afgørelse. Har jeg ret? Hvis det er tilfældet, venter vi igen.
Dear Viper Spin casino representative,
So you can confirm that regarding the case, you already provided all the necessary proof, and now we are just waiting on the regulator's decision. Am I correct? If that is the case, we will wait again.
Det er korrekt Softgamings indsamlede beviser fra os, der tilfredsstillede dem. De har svaret regulatoren, Viperspin var ikke direkte involveret i regulatoren, da vi er en WLC ikke nøglefærdig.
Softgamings som en virksomhed er blevet enige om vores beslutning, og på grund af vores fremlagte beviser vil der ikke ske yderligere handling.
Tilsynsmyndigheden tror jeg også vil være enig i beslutningen, men mere end glad for at vente er jeg ikke sikker på deres tidsramme, og som nævnt er det uden for vores kontrol, vores kontrol.
Med venlig hilsen
Hi Matej,
That is correct Softgamings gathered evidence from us that satisfied them. They have replied to the regulator, Viperspin was not involved directly with the regulator as we are a WLC not turnkey.
Softgamings as a company has agreed on our decision and due to our provided evidence there will be no action further.
The regulator I also believe will agree on the decision, but more then happy to wait I am not sure on their time frame, and as mentioned it's out of our control our control.
Jeg er ikke sikker på, hvorfor regulatorer tager så lang tid, så vi undskylder Matej i den sag, dette er helt nyt for os, også da det er ekstremt sjældent at have en sag som denne.
De har dog alt, hvad de har brug for, tak.
I'm not sure why regulators do take such a long period of time, so we do apologize Matej on the matter this is completely new to us also as it's extremely rare to have a case like this.
They do have everything they need though, thank you.
Ja jeg venter gerne, jeg var bare bekymret over, at efter 3 måneder var der ingen, der havde kontaktet mig. Jeg ved, at ting som dette tager tid, jeg håber bare, de kan få sandheden ud af viperspin.com mængden af forskellige historier, de har fundet på netop i denne klage
Hi matej
Yes I'm happy to wait I was just concerned that after 3 month no one had contacted me. I know things like this take time I just hope they can get the truth out of viperspin.com the amount of different stories they have come up with just in this complaint
Som du ved er vi en WLC. Regulatoren indsamlede oplysninger for cirka fire måneder siden fra SoftGamings, det er alt, hvad vi kan rådgive på nuværende tidspunkt.
Du er velkommen til at kontakte regulatoren eller Softgamings direkte for yderligere opdateringer, men Softgamings bemærkede, at vi har ret i vores handlinger, da vi ikke kan tale på vegne af regulatoren, men vi har intet hørt siden.
Lad mig vide, hvis du har brug for noget mere, da vi altid er glade for at hjælpe.
Hi Matej,
As you are aware we are a WLC. The regulator gathered information roughly four months ago from SoftGamings, that's all we can advise at this time.
You're welcome to directly reach out to the regulator, or Softgamings for any further updates but Softgamings did note that we are correct in our actions, as for the regulator we can't speak on behalf of them but we have heard nothing since.
Let me know if you need anything further as we are happy to assist always.
Beklager at det tog en uge at komme tilbage til at du har været på hospitalet. Jeg kunne ikke kontakte nogen via Skype, men jeg har kontaktet Igor rumyantsev chef for gaminglicensing og ilya s. Betalingschef hos soft gaming's for at se, om de kan hjælpe.
Tak Adam *******
Hi matej
Sorry for taking a week to get back to u ive been in hospital. I couldn't contact anyone through Skype but I've contacted Igor rumyantsev head of gaminglicensing and ilya s. Head of payments at soft gaming's to see if they can help.
Jeg kan desværre ikke kontakte tilsynsmyndigheden for at høre om din klage. Regulatoren reagerer ikke på sådanne anmodninger, da klager indgivet til dem betragtes som fortrolige. Har du prøvet at kontakte regulatoren på Skype?
Hello Boofa83,
Unfortunately, I cannot contact the regulator to inquire about your complaint. The regulator does not respond to such requests as complaints submitted to them are considered confidential. Have you tried contacting the regulator on Skype?
Kan du bede viperspin casino om at sende mig mine kontooplysninger, såsom hævninger i væddemålslogs og loginoplysninger. Jeg vil gerne vide, hvad der skete med min konto, efter at de lukkede min konto den 15. maj 2022 for pengevask
Hi matej
Can u ask viperspin casino to send me my account details such as bet logs withdrawals and login details.i would like to know what happened with my account after they closed my account on the 15th of may 2022 for money laundrieing
Hej Adam, vi har allerede sendt alt til Matej med hensyn til din sag og til regulatoren.
Der er intet mere vi kan gøre, da Softgaming har bedt om, at vi ikke taler uden for dette og regulatoren. Jeg er sikker på, at hvis Matej vil, kan han sende dig alt, hvad vi har indsendt. Men på vores side er alt blevet indsendt for mange måneder siden til vores licensgiver, og de har videresendt det til tilsynet.
I dette tilfælde, hvis der var problemer med denne sag, eller hvis vi tog fejl på nogen måde, ville regulatoren allerede have truffet en beslutning. Men vi føler, at alt som sædvanligt blev gjort korrekt, hvorfor vores omdømme er meget stærkt.
Med venlig hilsen
Hi Adam, we have already sent everything to Matej in regards to your case, and to the regulator.
There is nothing further we can do, as Softgaming has requested we do not speak outside of this and the regulator. I'm sure if Matej wants to, he can send you everything we have submitted. But on our end, everything has been submitted many months ago to our licensor, and they have forwarded it to the regulator.
In this instance, if there was any issues with this case or we were in the wrong in any way, the regulator would have already made a decision. However we feel that everything as usual was done correctly hence why our reputation is very strong.
Jeg vil gennemgå e-mails og sende dig, hvad jeg har, men jeg er bekymret for, at uden et svar fra tilsynsmyndigheden, vil vi ikke være i stand til at hjælpe dig.
Har du forsøgt at kontakte tilsynsmyndigheden igen og forhøre dig om status for din klage?
Hello Boofa83,
I'll review the emails and send you what I have, but I'm concerned that without a response from the regulator, we won't be able to assist you.
Have you attempted to contact the regulator again and inquire about the status of your complaint?
Man skulle tro, at de ville nå ud nu, hvis de kontaktede viperspin.com for 4 måneder siden
Men det kunne være endnu en løgn fra viperspin.com, du ikke ville vide.
Først lukkede de min konto den 15. maj 2022 for pengevask, og jeg kommer ikke fra dem, før jeg klager over dem. så er de mere end glade for at svare med løgn efter løgn og siger, at jeg ikke har sendt dem nogen dokumenter, så siger de, at jeg har sendt de forkerte dokumenter til, at jeg beviser, at de tager fejl. så siger de, at de har betalt mig over 50k i juni og juli af 2022 (men min konto blev lukket for mistanke om hvidvask på det tidspunkt) så det er mere end jeg indbetalte, så de ikke behøver at gøre noget. men de sendte mig også en e-mail i januar 2023 om, at de stadig skylder mig penge på mine indskud. og den sidste var, at jeg brugte alle pengene, før jeg lukkede kontoen, og jeg har ikke set disse dokumenter
You would of thought that they would of reached out by now if they contacted viperspin.com 4 months ago
But that could be another lie from viperspin.com you wouldn't know.
First they closed my account on may 15th 2022 for money laundrieing and I don't here from them untill I make this complaint about them. then they are more then happy to reply with lie after lie saying I didn't send them any documents then they say I sent the wrong documents to witch I prove them wrong.then they say they paid me out over 50k in June and July of 2022 (but my account was closed for suspicion of money laundering at that time)so that's more then I deposited so they don't have to do anything. but they also sent me an email in January 2023 saying they still owe me money on my deposits.and the last one was that I spent all the money before I closed the account witch I haven't seen those documents
Som du kan se vedhæftet, kan vi ikke omgå licensgiveren. Licensgiveren for Softgamings er meget streng, og vi har indsendt alle beviser markeret i juni.
Som allerede nævnt har vi leveret rigeligt bevis til både Softgamings, som tilfredsstiller dem og også regulatoren. Vi har ingen kontrol, hvis regulatoren ikke når ud til dig, hvilket ikke har noget med Viper Spin at gøre.
MateJ, hvis det kræves, kan jeg give dig et kontaktnummer hos Softgaming (kun til dig selv), men jeg er ikke sikker på, om de vil fortsætte dette på grund af alderen på dette, og det faktum, at alt allerede var indsendt og accepteret på deres ende. Som du ved, ville Softgaming ikke risikere noget ved at operere på en white label-casinolicens, så det var en detaljeret undersøgelse, som bekræftede, at der ikke var nogen yderligere handling til Viper Spin.
Jeg er bange for, at jeg ikke kan gøre mere for at hjælpe, for det, vi har, er konkret på denne sag.
Tak for din hjælp i denne sag Matej, venligst til enhver tid, hvis du har yderligere spørgsmål eller kommentarer e-mail support@viperspin.com .
Hi Adam,
As you can see attached we can not work around the licensor. The licensor of Softgamings is very strict, and we have submitted all evidence marked in June.
As already mentioned, we have provided ample proof to both Softgamings which satisfied them and also the regulator. We have zero control if the regulator doesn't reach out to you that is nothing to do with Viper Spin whatsoever.
MateJ, if required I can pass you a contacts number at Softgaming (only to yourself) however I'm not sure if they will continue this due to the age of this, and the fact everything was already submitted and accepted on their end. As you know operating on a white label casino license Softgaming wouldn't risk anything so it was a detailed investigation one which did confirm there was no further action to Viper Spin.
I'm afraid I can't do anything further to help, because what we have is concrete on this case.
Thank you for your assistance on this case Matej, please at any time if you have any further questions or comments email support@viperspin.com.
Jeg er ked af det, men vi bliver nødt til at vente på tilsynsmyndighedens afgørelse i denne sag. Genåbn sagen, når tilsynsmyndigheden har truffet en beslutning, ellers åbner den automatisk efter tre måneder.
I'm sorry, but we'll need to wait for the regulator's decision in this case. Please reopen the case once the regulator has made a decision, or it will automatically reopen after three months.
Hej Boofa83 Vi skriver til dig for at få en opdatering på din sag, der tidligere var markeret som "Afventer tilsynsmyndighedens afgørelse" på vores website. Din klagesag er blevet genåbnet automatisk, og vi har brug for at vide, om der er sket en udvikling eller truffet nogen afgørelser, siden vi sidst hørte fra dig. Hvis tilsynsmyndigheden eller et alternativt forligsorgan har afgjort sagen til din fordel, må du meget gerne opdatere tråden og sende den officielle erklæring til os på e-mail. Hvis afgørelsen gik dig imod, hører vi også gerne fra dig. Vi er klar over, at der gået et stykke tid, men en opdatering giver os mulighed for at træffe relevante foranstaltninger. Vi kan f.eks. tildele casinoet sorte point, hvis du fik medhold, eller advare andre spillere, hvis tilsynsmyndigheden afgjorde sagen til fordel for casinoet. Vi håber, du har tid og lyst til at svare.
Dear Boofa83, We hope this finds you well. We would like to ask you to provide an update regarding this case, which was previously marked as "Waiting for Regulator" on our website. Your complaint has now been automatically reopened, and we are eager to know if there have been any recent developments or resolutions since our last communication. If the ADR or the Licensing Authority has resolved things in your favor, please update the thread and send over the official statement to my email. Alternatively, if the ruling favored the casino, your insights are just as crucial. We understand that some time has passed, but updating your complaint will allow us to take appropriate action, such as issuing black points to the casino in case the ruling is in your favor or warning other players and users about instances where the authority supports the operator. We truly appreciate your cooperation, and your response would be of great assistance to us. Thank you in advance for your reply.
På vores side, som vi tidligere har vist dokumenter til dig selv fra licensgiveren, har der ikke været mere.
Oprindeligt var du enig i, at vi var nøjagtige i denne sag, men uanset at modtage noget negativt fra dette ville det være ret uberettiget, da vi har mere end nok beviser, som vi også tidligere har fremlagt.
Vi kan ikke få en tilsynsmyndighed til at gå hurtigere, eller træffe en beslutning eller endda svare. Der kan ikke gøres mere fra vores side. Jeg er mere end glad for at sende hvert dokument til dig igen, hvis du vil?
Hi Matej,
On our end, as we have previously shown documents to yourself from the licensor there has been nothing further.
Originally you did agree we were accurate on this case, but regardless receiving anything negative from this would be rather unjustified seeing as we have more then enough evidence, which we have also previously submitted.
We can't make a regulator go any faster, or make a decision or well even reply. Nothing further can be done on our end I'm more then happy to re-send every document to you if you'd like?
I lyset af den nuværende situation kan vi vente i yderligere tre måneder. Jeg vil dog helst lukke sagen efter den periode.
Kasinoet har allerede fremlagt overbevisende beviser (spillogs viser, at saldoen var opbrugt).
På trods af, at kontoen blev genåbnet, fortsatte Boofa83 med at engagere sig i spil. (Dette rejser spørgsmålet: hvorfor ville Boofa83 fortsætte med at spille, hvis kasinoet angiveligt havde taget 280k fra ham?)
Ikke desto mindre ville det være en fordel for alle involverede parter, hvis tilsynsorganet også kunne se på dette spørgsmål.
Dear ViperSpin casino representative and Boofa83,
Given the current situation, we can wait for another three months. However, I would prefer to close the case after that period.
The casino has already presented compelling evidence (game logs indicate that the balance was depleted).
Despite the account being reopened, Boofa83 continued to engage in gaming. (This raises the question: why would Boofa83 continue playing if the casino had allegedly taken 280k from him?)
Nevertheless, it would be beneficial for all parties involved if the regulatory body could also look into this matter.
Som jeg har sagt fra starten, blev jeg låst ude af min konto i maj den 22.
Under mistanke om hvidvask.
Og jeg hørte aldrig tilbage fra viperspin.com, før jeg kom med denne klage, og fra starten har viperspin.com ændret historien 4 gange med løgne på løgne, de kan ikke holde sig til en enkelt historie, fordi der løgne, og jeg har kaldt dem ud. siden starten.
Først sendte jeg dem aldrig dokumenterne beviste, at de var forkerte, så ændrede de og sagde, at jeg sendte dem, at de forkerte dokumenter viste sig forkerte, så ændrede de til, at de udbetalte mig over 50.000, og de vil ikke vise, hvilken konto det blev sendt til, fordi det ikke var min og det ville bevise der løgne og nu siger de at jeg brugte alle pengene på kontoen men jeg blev låst ude af min konto, så hvis jeg havde brugt alle pengene hvorfor så ikke komme ud i starten og sige at i stedet gør de op alle disse løgne, som jeg fangede dem på, så de tyer til at sige, at der ikke var penge på kontoen
Skål boofa83
Hi matej
As I've said from the start I was locked out of my account in may of 22.
Under Suspicion of money laundering.
And I never heard back from viperspin.com till I made this complaint and from the start viperspin.com has changed there story 4 times with lies upon lies they can't stick to a single story because there lies and I've called them out since the start.
First I never sent them the documents proved them wrong then they changed and said I sent them the wrong documents proved wrong then they changed to they paid me out over 50k and they won't show what account it was sent to because it wasn't mine and that would prove there lies and now they say I spent all the money in the account but I was locked out of my account so if I had spent all the money then why not come out at the start and say that instead they make up all these lies that I caught them out on so they resort to saying there was no money in the account
Vores beviser står fast, og det er meget klart. I løbet af ovenstående har intet ændret sig, som er angivet af os.
Der vil ikke være nogen yderligere handling, du vil ikke modtage noget yderligere fra os. Jeg er sikker på, at det er grunden til, at du ikke har fået yderligere oplysninger fra licensgiveren, da de i andre tilfælde er ekstremt lydhøre.
Vi venter gerne på, at licensgiveren svarer dig.
Med venlig hilsen
Hi Adam,
Our evidence stands and it's very clear. During the above, nothing has changed that's stated by us.
There will be no further action, you will not be receiving anything further from us. I'm confident that is why nothing further has been provided to you from the licensor, as on other cases they are extremely responsive.
We are happy to keep waiting for the licensor to reply to you.
Fra spilloggene er det tydeligt, at aktiviteten på kontoen fortsætter efter den 22. maj. Det har de samme spilmønstre og meget lignende aktivitet som før. Vi er på casinosiden baseret på alle disse beviser, vi så. Kontosaldoen 15.5. var 17325,3, så selvom du mistede kontrollen over kontoen den 22. maj, var det beløb, du anmodede om, ikke der. Fra den 25. maj fortsætter aktiviteten frem til den 11. juni.
Hvis et kasino røvede mig, ville jeg ikke spille mere...
Vi ønskede at involvere tilsynsmyndigheden, det er et betydeligt beløb, men kasinoet har allerede fremlagt beviser for, at de samarbejder fuldt ud, gav alle beviserne til os og tilsynsmyndigheden, og vi kan ikke straffe dem under disse omstændigheder.
Dear Boofa83,
From the game logs, it is evident that the activity on the account continues after 22nd May. It has the same game patterns and very similar activity as before. We are on the casino side based on all this evidence we saw. The account balance 15.5. was 17325.3, so even if you lost control over the account on 22nd May, the amount you requested wasn't there. From 25th May, the activity continues till the 11th.Jun.
If a casino robbed me, I would not play more...
We wanted to involve the regulator, it is significant amount however the casino already provided evidence that they fully copperate ,gave all the evidence to us and the regulator and we can't punish them under this circumstances.
Temmelig svært at spille på en konto den 22. maj, da jeg blev låst ude af kontoen den 15. maj for suspension af pengevask.
Temmelig sikker på, at der ikke vil lade mig fortsætte med at spille og trække mig tilbage, hvis jeg er under suspension af det. Og du går tilbage til toppen af klagen, de prøver at sige, at jeg aldrig har sendt dem de rigtige dokumenter for at fjerne det.
Pretty hard to play on an account on the 22nd of may when I was locked out of the account on the 15th of may for suspension of money laundrieing.
Pretty sure there not going to let me keep playing and withdrawing if I'm under suspension of that.and u go back to the top of the complaint they try to say I never sent them the right documents to clear that.
Jeg vil gerne forklare, at der i denne klage siden begyndelsen var de to spørgsmål.
Kasinoet blokerede din konto baseret på manglende skattedokument, og i dette har vi siden begyndelsen været på din side.
Det omstridte beløb, hvor vi troede, at du havde 280.000 AUD på din konto i det øjeblik, hvor kontoen blev lukket.
Det første punkt er allerede løst, og lad os nu fokusere på det andet:
Fra spilloggen:
14.5. kl. 0:19:32 var din kontosaldo 286k
15.5. fra 01:43:16 var der aktivitet til 05:05:48
I løbet af denne tid blev spillet de samme spil, og aktiviteten ligner meget aktivitet fra tidligere dage. Balancen nåede 400k på et tidspunkt og var højere end 280k det meste af tiden.
Men til sidst nåede 17.325,3
Den næste aktivitet på din konto er fra 25.5. og aktiviteten på din konto fortsætter også i juni måned.
Pengene på din konto blev spillet ud i samme spillestil, som du altid spiller.
I dette punkt er vi på siden af casinoet, fordi det er umuligt for os at erkende, at det ikke var dig, og baseret på sekundære indikatorer (playstyle) peger det på dig.
Vi bad regulatoren om at involvere sig i denne sag, og kasinoet samarbejdede fuldt ud, men uden en beslutning fra regulatoren kan vi ikke lukke denne sag som uløst.
Kasinoet samarbejdede, gav os beviser, der pegede på, at saldoen var udspillet. Jeg er meget ked af det, men jeg er bange for, at vi uden en myndighedsbeslutning er tvunget til at afvise din klage. Vi kan genåbne det når som helst, når nye beviser dukker op, eller regulatoren beslutter. I mellemtiden kan du overveje at fortsætte med en lovlig måde, men beviserne mod dig er stærke.
Dear Boofa83,
I would like to explain that in this complaint there were since the beginning the two issues.
The casino blocked your account based on missing taxation document and in this we were since the beginning on your side.
The disputed amount where we believed you had 280,000 AUD in your account in the moment when the account was closed.
The first point is already solved and now let's focus on the second one:
From the game log:
14.5. at 0:19:32 your account balance was 286k
15.5. from 01:43:16 there were an activity till 05:05:48
During this time were played the same games and activity is very similar to activity from previous days. The balance reach 400k at some point and was higher than 280k most of the time.
However, on the end reached 17,325.3
The next activity on your account is from 25.5. and the activity on your account continues in month June too.
The money on your account was played out in the same playstyle like you always play.
In this point we are on the side of the casino because it is impossible for us to recognize that it wasn't you and based on secondary indicators (playstyle) it points to you.
We asked the regulator to involve in this matter and the casino cooperated fully, however, without a decision from the regulator, we cannot close this case as unresolved.
The casino cooperated, provided us evidence which pointed out that the balance was played out. I am very sorry but I am afraid that without a regulator decision we are forced to reject your complaint. We can reopen it anytime when new evidence appears or the regulator decides. Meanwhile, you can consider to proceed with a legal way however the evidence against you is strong.
Hej matej fra det du sendte mig en e-mail, var spilleloggene ikke de samme, du sagde, at der var et køb på 80k, som du ikke kan gøre som ny spiller, max er 10k.
Så hvem der nogensinde har lavet spilleloggene, tænkte ikke på det.
I sidste ende ville jeg nok aldrig få mine penge, når den maksimale hævning om ugen var 3200 (selv de hævninger, de har vist, var ikke mine, fordi der var 4 på en uge, men de vil ikke vise den konto, de gik til) Det ville have været rart, hvis kasinoet rent faktisk indrømmede, at de gjorde forkerte, men det vil ikke ske.
Det er bare fantastisk, hvordan du kan tro på alle de løgne, de har fortalt. hvis jeg havde brugt pengene, hvorfor så finde på alle løgnene om ikke at sende de rigtige dokumenter og udbetale mig mere de 50.000 af mine indskud, så de ikke udbetaler mere, der er en anden løgn, hvis jeg havde brugt alle pengene hvorfor skulle de så betale mig ud længere, de kan ikke engang følge med der løgne
Hi matej from what u emailed me the play logs weren't the same u said there was an 80k buy witch u can't do as a new player the max is 10k.
So who ever made up the play logs didn't think of that.
In the end I was probably never going to get my money when the max withdrawal a week was 3200 (even the withdrawals they have shown weren't mine because there were 4 in one week but they won't show the account it went to ) would of been nice if the casino actually admitted there wrong doings but that won't happen.
Just amazing how you can believe all the lies they have told. if I'd spent the money then why make up all the lies of no sending the right documents and paying me out more the 50k of my deposits so they won't be paying out anymore there's another lie if I'd spent all the money then why would they pay me out anymore they can't even keep up with there lies
Vi har gennemgået dine logfiler mange gange. Fra den dag du påstod, at du mistede adgangen til hjemmesiden, er der samme mønster som dagen før.
Indsatsstørrelserne svarer til dagen før. Og vigtigst af alt er det spillerens ansvar at beskytte kontoen. Hvis en anden bruger din adgangskode eller får adgang til din konto, er kasinoet ikke ansvarligt i et sådant tilfælde. Men baseret på spillestilen tror jeg, at det var dig, der spillede, og kontoen blev forbudt efter det spil.
Spilaktiviteten fortsætter i næste måned, og jeg kan fortælle dig, at hvis nogle af pengene manglede på min konto, ville jeg ikke spille mere.
Baseret på alle de beviser, som vi indsamlede i løbet af den enorme tid, vi brugte på denne sag, besluttede vi at lukke den som uberettiget.
Vi overvejer sager baseret på de beviser, vi har, og her må jeg sige, at casinoet har fremlagt tilstrækkelige beviser til at bevise, at beløbet fra din konto er tabt.
Under undersøgelsen samarbejdede de fuldt ud med os og tilsynsmyndigheden. Hvis tilsynsmyndigheden nogensinde reagerer, og konklusionen ville være en anden end vores, genåbner vi gerne denne sag. Indtil da må vi dog afvise det som uberettiget.
We went through your logs many times. From the day you claimed that you lost access to the website, there is the same pattern as the day before.
The bet sizes are similar to the day before. And most importantly, it is the responsibility of the player to protect the account. If somebody else uses your password or gains access to your account, the casino is not responsible in such a case. However, based on the playstyle, I believe that it was you who played and the account was banned after that play.
The game activity continues next month, and I can tell you that if some of the money were missing from my account, I would not be playing anymore.
Based on all the evidence that we collected during the enormous time we spent on this case, we decided to close it as unjustified.
We are considering cases based on the evidence that we have, and here I need to say that the casino provided sufficient evidence to prove that the amount from your account was lost.
During the investigation, they fully cooperated with us and the regulator. If the regulator ever responds and the conclusion would be different from ours, we will gladly reopen this case. However, until then, we must reject it as unjustified.
Vi forlænger tidsfristen med 7 dage. Vær opmærksom på, at hvis du ikke svarer inden da, eller hvis du ikke har brug for yderligere hjælp, afviser vi klagen.
Dear Boofa83,
We are extending the timer by 7 days. Please, be aware that in case you fail to respond in the given time frame or don’t require any further assistance, we will reject the complaint.
Som jeg har sagt fra starten af klagen, har min side af historien ikke ændret sig, der har været flere gange. Jeg synes bare, det er sjovt, hvordan de kan ligge hullet igennem det, og vi fangede dem flere gange. men så efter at en kom op med jeg brugte det hele haha og lave et par spil, der nok er fra ugerne før, så det hele ser ens ud. Så hvis jeg havde brugt det hele, hvor kom udbetalingerne 50k, de prøvede at kompensere, ind i det, så væddede jeg på, at der ikke var derinde mere. Jeg er ikke engang bekymret for pengene længere, det er 2 år siden, jeg vandt dem, hvis de havde forladt dem. ville nok have givet lidt tilbage på grund af de 3200 hævninger om ugen, men det faktum, at de stjal og løj, hvis jeg har stoppet folk med at spille på viperspin.com, er jeg glad for det, så de kan ikke gøre det mod nogen, der ikke har råd. det er bare heldig, at jeg har et godt job. Tak for al din hjælp alligevel matej, hvis regulatoren nogensinde svarer, er jeg glad for at genåbne sagen.
Hi matej
As I've said from the start of the complaint my side of the story hasn't changed there's has a number of times .I just find it funny how they can lie the hole way through it and we caught them out a number of times but then after that a come up with I spent it all haha and make a few game plays witch is probably from the weeks before so it all looks the same. So if I had spent it all where did the withdrawals 50k they tryed to make up come into it I bet there not in there anymore.im not even worried about the money anymore it's been 2 years since I won it if they had left it I probably would have given a far bit back because of the 3200 withdrawals a week but the fact they stole and lied if I have stopped people playing at viperspin.com im happy with that so they can't do it to someone that can't afford it im just lucky I have a good job. Thanks for all your help anyway matej if the regulator ever does reply im happy to reopen the case.
Som tidligere nævnt i første del af klagen vedrørende den manglende skatteopgørelse, var vi på din side, og kasinoet accepterede det til sidst. Men hvad angår saldoen på din konto, er der overbevisende beviser på casinoets side.
Du kan forsøge at kontakte regulatoren igen, men baseret på beviserne fra kasinoet, må vi afvise din klage.
Dear Adam,
As previously stated in the first part of the complaint regarding the missing tax statement, we were on your side, and the casino eventually accepted it. However, concerning the balance in your account, there is compelling evidence on the casino's side.
You may attempt to contact the regulator again, but based on the evidence provided by the casino, we must reject your complaint.
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