Hej Petronela,
Mange tak for dit hurtige svar. Jeg forstår fuldt ud, hvorfor KYC-processen er så vigtig for kasinoer og gjorde mit bedste for at efterkomme og levere alt, hvad de bad om. Jeg har gennemført denne proces på sportsbooks og andre kasinoer, uden problemer som dette. Må jeg spørge, om du var i stand til at se de e-mails, jeg sendte til kasinoet, som jeg uploadede som vedhæftede filer med min klage? De giver en vis kontekst.
Min konto var fuldt verificeret, før min første udbetalingsanmodning blev gennemført. Jeg uploadede mit id og adressebevis, og alt var normalt, og min første hævning blev udbetalt uden problemer.
Da den næste anmodning om hævning på €500 blev afvist, kontaktede jeg dem, og de bad om et kontoudtog for den konto, jeg hævede til, for at bevise, at det var min (mit første €190-indskud var med USDT cryptocurrency). Selvom det virkede mærkeligt, da dette ikke var noget problem for den første udbetaling, sendte jeg dem en erklæring, men desværre ville de stadig ikke behandle den anden udbetaling på €500. De sagde aldrig, hvorfor de nægtede at betale ud på dette tidspunkt, men fremsatte blot en ny anmodning . De krævede derefter et skærmbillede af mine kryptotransaktioner for de sidste 30 dage. Mens jeg troede, at dette var påtrængende, ræsonnerede jeg, at det var OK, fordi dette var min indbetalingsmetode, så jeg sendte dem det påkrævede skærmbillede. Dette blev dog heller ikke accepteret, selvom det var det, de havde bedt om. De ændrede derefter anmodningen til kryptotransaktioner for de sidste 30 dage i PDF-form. De vidste, at jeg var ved at blive frustreret, men på dette tidspunkt erklærede de definitivt, at dette var den sidste anmodning, og at mine gevinster ville blive udbetalt, hvis jeg sendte den - hvilket jeg gjorde. De afviste det et par gange og skændtes om formateringen i PDF'en (jeg sendte dem en PDF genereret af kryptobørsen Coinbase, hvor jeg havde sendt USDT fra for min indbetaling), jeg fulgte stadig hver anmodning, indtil de simpelthen stoppede gør ethvert forsøg på at forklare, hvorfor de afviste det. På dette tidspunkt var deres live-personale ved at blive temmelig uhøfligt, afvisende og begyndte at afslutte live chats eller simpelthen ikke svare. Jeg forsøgte at spørge dem, hvorfor det ikke blev accepteret, og hvad der skal gøres for at få mine gevinster, og de forsøgte i det væsentlige at afbryde enhver meningsfuld kontakt på dette tidspunkt. Jeg blev ved med at kontakte deres live chat, og det var som at trække tænder ud i et forsøg på at få nogen form for meningsfuldt svar. Så lagde jeg mærke til en besked på min casinokonto, der lød "Upload venligst kontoudtog for oktober fra den konto, som du har købt krypto med". De kontaktede mig aldrig for at sige dette, hvis jeg ikke havde tjekket manuelt på min konto, ville jeg ikke have set det, på trods af at jeg havde en aktiv udbetalingsanmodning. På dette tidspunkt blev jeg meget træt af kasinoet, fordi jeg følte, at de fandt på det, mens de gik. Jeg ærgrede mig over, om jeg skulle efterkomme denne anmodning. Jeg havde kun indbetalt €190 til kasinoet, og jeg følte, at deres anmodning var uberettiget, og alt tydede på, at de simpelthen ikke ønskede at udbetale mine gevinster. Desuden var min tillid til dette casino nu ikke-eksisterende, da de tog mig med omkring 4-5 gange. Jeg besluttede dog, at jeg ville sende den. Men efter at have talt med familiemedlemmer og min bank, som frarådede det, besluttede jeg at sende dem et delvist redigeret kontoudtog, der viste mit indskud til Coinbase på den dato, jeg blev medlem af Vinyl Casino (hvis jeg husker rigtigt, var indbetaling med kort ikke arbejder ikke på dagen). Jeg troede, at dette var rimeligt, da det knyttede min bankkonto til min Coinbase-konto.
Jeg havde nu fremlagt bevis på id, adresse, ejerskab af min bankkonto, ejerskab af kryptopungen, der deponerede pengene til kasinoet og transaktionshistorikken, de bad om på min kryptopung, og bevis for, at jeg havde finansieret kryptopungen. med min egen bankkonto. Men til ingen nytte. De krævede, at jeg sendte fuldstændig uredigerede kontoudtog, inklusive uden relation til kasinoet. Jeg havde allerede forklaret dem, at jeg var meget utilpas med dette.
Siden da har jeg erfaret, at kasinoer har procedurer til at verificere "kilde til midler", men jeg føler ikke, at det er en rimelig anmodning til en spiller, der har foretaget en indbetaling til kasinoet. Desuden sagde de aldrig, at de bad om, at jeg skulle bevise "kilde til midler". Jeg følte, at de ikke ville betale mig og forsøgte at krænke mig ved at indsamle så mange data om mig som muligt, alt imens de ikke kommunikerer på nogen rimelig måde.
Jeg sætter pris på, at tidslinjen for hver interaktion ikke er der, men jeg har desværre ikke Live Chat-udskrifterne, og jeg er nødt til at gøre mit bedste for at huske hver af deres anmodninger i den rigtige rækkefølge. Udover ikke at modtage mine penge, hvilket jeg synes er totalt uacceptabelt, er jeg rystet over deres generelle tone og frygtelige attitude i deres (begrænsede) kommunikation med mig.
Hi Petronela,
Many thanks for your quick response. I fully understand why the KYC process is so important for casinos and did my best to comply and provide everything they asked for. I've completed this process on sportsbooks and other casinos, with no problems like this. Can I ask if you were able to see the emails I sent to the casino which I uploaded as attachments with my complaint? They provide some context.
My account was fully verified before my first withdrawal request was completed. I uploaded my ID and Proof of Address and everything was normal and my first withdrawal was paid out with no issue.
When the next request for withdrawal of €500 was rejected, I contacted them and they asked for a bank statement for the account I was withdrawing to, to prove it was mine (My initial €190 deposit was with USDT cryptocurrency). Even though it seemed strange since this was no issue for the first withdrawal, I sent them a statement but unfortunately they still wouldn't process the second withdrawal of €500. They never stated why they were refusing to pay out at this point but just made another request. They then demanded a screenshot of my crypto transactions for the last 30 days. While I thought this was intrusive, I reasoned that it was OK because this was my deposit method so I sent them the required screenshot. However this was also not accepted despite it being what they had asked for. They then changed the request to crypto transactions for the past 30 days in PDF form. They knew I was growing frustrated but at this point they definitively stated that this was the last request and that my winnings would be paid out if I submitted it - which I did. They rejected it a couple of times, arguing about the formatting within the PDF (I was sending them a PDF generated by the crypto exchange Coinbase, where I had sent the USDT from for my deposit), I still followed each request until they simply stopped making any attempt to explain why they were rejecting it. At this point, their live staff was becoming pretty rude, dismissive and began terminating live chats or simply not responding. I attempted to ask them why it wasn't accepted and what needs to be done to get my winnings and they essentially tried to break off any meaningful contact at this point. I persisted in contacting their live chat, and it was like pulling teeth trying to get any sort of meaningful response. Then I noticed a message within my casino account that read "Please upload bank statement for October from the account with which you have bought crypto". They never contacted me to say this, if I hadn't have checked manually in my account I wouldn't have seen it, despite me having active withdrawal request. At this point, I became very weary of the casino because I felt that they were making it up as they went along. I agonized over whether to comply with this request. I'd only ever deposited €190 to the casino and I felt their request was unwarranted and everything suggested that they simply didn't want to pay my winnings out. Also, my trust for this casino was now non existent since they strung me along about 4-5 times. However, I decided I'd send it. However, after talking with family members, and my bank, who advised against it, I decided to send them a partially redacted bank statement that showed my deposit to Coinbase on the date I joined Vinyl Casino (If I recall correctly, depositing by card wasn't working on the day). I thought this was reasonable as it linked my bank account to my Coinbase account.
I'd now provided proof of ID, address, ownership of my bank account, ownership of the crypto wallet that deposited the money to the casino and the transaction history they asked for on my crypto wallet, and evidence that I had funded the crypto wallet with my own bank account. But, to no avail. They demanded I send completely unredacted bank statements including unrelated to the casino. I'd already explained to them that I was very uncomfortable with this.
Since then, I have learned that casinos have procedures to verify "source of funds", however I don't feel that is a reasonable request for a player who has made one deposit to the casino. Also, they never said they were asking for me to prove "source of funds". I felt like they weren't going to pay me and were trying to violate me by gathering as much data about me as possible, all while not communicating in any reasonable way.
I appreciate that the timeline for each interaction isn't there, but I do not have the Live Chat transcripts unfortunately, and I am having to do my best to recall each of their requests in the correct order. Apart from not receiving my money, which I think is totally unacceptable, I am appalled by their general tone and terrible attitude in their (limited) communications with me.